Revelation Book - Outright Lie or just an "Untruth" ?

by AlphaOmega 24 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  AlphaOmega

  Is the following statement a lie ,or in the light of the Feb 1st 2007 Watchtower article "Why be Truthful", is it just an untruth?

  ***rechap.18p.105EarthquakesintheLord’sDay***

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  From the mid-1870’s, Jehovah’s people had been anticipating that catastrophic events would start in 1914

  Or maybe the reader "wasn't entitled to a comprehensive answer" :

  Yes, lying includes the intention to deceive someone. Hence, to speak an untruth unwittingly—such as giving someone incorrect facts or figures by mistake—is not the same as to tell a lie.Every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie
  Moreover, we need to consider whether the person asking for information is entitled to a comprehensive answer.

  Watchtower 1st Feb 2007

  Scans - Revelation Book (2006) page 105, Zion's Watchtower July 15th 1894

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  Gopher

  I don't have the citation. But you'll find that CT Russell said that the entire destruction would occur in 1914. They didn't see it as the "START" of catastrophic events. They saw it as the wrap up of all man's systems opposed to God.

  This is a whitewash. The WTS didn't just say 1914 was a special year. It was the year God's Kingdom was supposed to crush all earthly opposition in a catastrophic manner.
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  nvrgnbk

  Yes it contains lies. However, since most of it's claims have to do with invisible events involving invisible participants, they are difficult to disprove. The passing of time is their worst enemy. The biggest and most important lie is to claim arrogantly that the Creator of the Universe somehow provides them with special insight. If there is a God in heaven He is either laughing at them or fuming mad at them.

  Welcome to JWD A_O,

  Nvrgnbk
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  AlphaOmega

  Do you mean this quote from 1907 "Studies In The Scripture 2"

  

  My point is that I don't care what they said would happen on any given date, it is that the comment in the Revelation scan is blatantly UNTRUE as the second scan shows.

  How can anyone who has done their homework seriously trust their salvation to them, if they can't even be trusted to tell the truth?
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  greendawn

  Russell did not calculate 1914 he got it from Barbour an adventist with whom he had briefly associated as he also got from him the silly idea of the two staged return of Christ an invisible stage that happened (??) in 1878 to be followed by a visible one in 1914. That's when defiant human governments were to be shuttered though I think Russell did not see that as the end of the entire world only their governments. Unlike the total holocaust envisaged by the dubs today.
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  AlphaOmega

  Welcome to JWD A_O,

  Thank you. It's good to post at long last.

  I'm not sure that I'm being clear.

  The Revelation book says that they said that 1914 would see the START of traumatic events, but what they actually taught was that 1914 would see the END of the traumatic events.

  Quite simply the two contradict each other.
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  nvrgnbk

  How can anyone who has done their homework seriously trust their salvation to them, if they can't even be trusted to tell the truth?

  Some people believe what they want to believe. Others believe what they do because of isolation from accurate information.

  Jehovah's Witnesses encourage non-Witnesses to be open-minded and ask critical questions of their current belief system.

  Jehovah's Witnesses discourage independent thinking, open-mindeness, and critical questions with regards to their own

  current belief system.

  Do you see the double standard that really makes it difficult for a Witness to, as you say, do their homework seriously.

  Great post,

  Nvrgnbk
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  nvrgnbk

  Yes, it is a lie. Once you deprogram yourself, which you're in the process of doing, you'll find a mountain of lies. You may not always like what you find. But I say that reality is the best place to live. It's not always pretty, but then again, neither are we.

  Think it all through logically and you can't go wrong,

  Nvrgnbk
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  ninja

  hey Alphy Omegy...we have all been through the stuff you are finding out.....it shocked me to my core when I found out that they were so deceitful and I didnt notice until then and how under mind control I was...then realising how brainlocked my friends and family are...welcome to the forum and the rest of your life
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  AlphaOmega

  Thank you for your welcomes.

  I have to say that I am not a Witness but have been studying their literature for ages and just can't believe the conradictions in them.

  I know that many here are still Witnesses and hope that showing some of these contradictions (with scans) will help them see what we on the outside see.

  It is easy to see the errors from the outside - it must be awful to be blinded to the truth!

  Thanks again for your welcomes - it is good to be among like-minded truthseekers.