Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses—Angels With Dirty Faces?

by The wanderer 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    2. I believe there is also a group that leaves without having participated in any "immorality" because of doctrinal issues or they simply no longer believe, and cannot or will not remain in the org. for family or friends. I know this to be true because I am part of this group. For this group things may become complicated with regards to morality. If one has become convinced that the organization is not reality-based and may even feel the same about the Bible, perhaps even questioning the existence of God, morality becomes more difficult to define. In time, one may commit an act they would not have prior to coming to certain realizations. The org. loves to see this happen as it appears to bolster their view that everyone is a closet slime-ball saved only by association with them. It also appears to weaken the arguments of the "apostate" as it is suggested that the seeking of carnal pleasure was the "real" motive all along. But the real reason for the divergence from one's previous moral path is not that one set out to experience "forbidden fruit" but rather one now realizes that the "fruit" is not in fact "forbidden." The ex-believer now finds himself on a slippery slope. And that is what many now find themselves negotiating.

    Boy, oh boy, nvrgnbk, there is bunch to chew on there. I am still chewing. I think you are dead on.

    When one finds out the depth and breadth of the matter at hand, all the definitions, facts, and realities change. Thus, all those years as dubs, whilst we wondered out loud why so much of what we were taught as 'immoral', seemed to have gone on so freely among 'Jehovah's servants of old', could it have been that the NT morality [or the fundy and WTS definition of such] matched more closely the S&P view of such, than it ever did of God's view? And with the potential 'whitewashing' of the book as it has come down to us, along with the ultra-sensitive interpretations, intended to control, rather than honor God, it at times leaves more to question, than it answers, at least in my mind.

    Jeff

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    "For example, the Bible condemns fornication and other morally reproachable matters."

    First point, what the bible condemns is a moot point. Read the old testament, it condones all sorts of murderous, vile, morally revolting behaviours, including killing children. Ironically the Watchtower also condones the murder of children so we can see what sort of morality one can construct from "the bible"....

    Having said that, the Watchtower sets up their own twisted moral universe where even masturbation, dating without a "chaperone", smoking, voting, having a x-mas tree, is considered morally reproachable behaviour.

    I seriously doubt most people leave in order to gain freedom from these absurd "moral" prohibitions (although they would be justified in doing so)....rather, they leave once the cognitive dissonance becomes so overwhelming, they can no longer deny their logic telling them that the dictates of the borganization are complete nonsense.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk
    rather, they leave once the cognitive dissonance becomes so overwhelming, they can no longer deny their logic telling them that the dictates of the borganization are complete nonsense.

    100% agreement with this gem from kid-A . Nicely put, my fellow Radiohead fan.

    I wish I'd have written that myself.

    Nvr

  • zack
    zack

    As an elder I would frequently look out at a Sunday crowd and see what? People on their 2nd and 3rd marraiges. People disfellowshipped, reprooved,etc... for

    adultery, fornication, criminal activity, etc..... In essence, sinners. You can sin all you want and still be in the Org. As a matter of fact, what I failed to see was

    kindness, mercy, compassion, honor. Instead there was gossip, strife,jealousy, judgment, conformity---- always the lowest possible denominator. I saw people

    praising the Faithful and Discreet Slave without any thought as to what they were doing or saying. They would make bold staements that everything in the WT was from Jehovah.

    Everything, I guess, except the false prophecies, the failed predictions, the ever changing "truth."

    Jesus said that God approved those who worshipped Him with spirit and with Truth. When I found out the Org, had neither, I planned my exit. The WT

    can say whatever it wants. They are anti-Christ and anti-truth and certainly have none of God's spirit. Remember, God watches----- and waits.

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