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carla

When talking to non jw's and telling them that jw's believe everybody else will be destroyed at the big A for not being a jw and they say they just asked a jw this and the jw said that no they don't believe this, how do I answer without going through the 125+ years of literature? The jw may even say that is a lie spread by apostates to make them look bad or they are evil, couldn't live up to bible standards, ..... you know the drill.

Who are you?

The most important concept for me as a nonJW is the "Theocratic excuse to lie about anything, anytime Warfare" concept.

Anybody in the real world will usually tolerate others beliefs no matter how kooky they are....but when you realize that your MIL and other JW's intentionally and knowingly lie repeatedly....the parties over.

OUTLAW

I can`t even be bothered to argue with them anymore about that particular lie..I just call them liars...OUTLAW

sspo

Many JW's do not beleive that they are the only once saved even though it is contrary to what the watchtower

teaches but they usually do not make it public.

Inquisitor

When talking to non jw's and telling them that jw's believe everybody else will be destroyed at the big A for not being a jw and they say they just asked a jw this and the jw said that no they don't believe this, how do I answer without going through the 125+ years of literature? The jw may even say that is a lie spread by apostates to make them look bad or they are evil, couldn't live up to bible standards, ..... you know the drill.

Dear Carla, If I was subjecting a JW to my personal Inquisition, I would be more specific about whose salvation I'm enquiring about. It is easy to sound generous when the subject is a generic "everybody". I'd ask the JW, "If I was a Buddhist, would I survive the Big A? What if I was the Pope? fan of the Pope? Evangelical? Atheist? Agnostic? Muslim? Do-gooder, Free-thinker?" A shrewd JW response would be to say that decision rests with Jehovah. Then I would say, "What does that mean? Is Jehovah, the smiter of pagan nations in the Old Testament, embarrassingly clueless about His Judgement of these people of modern false religions?" "Or is it a fault in the celestial communication? Is the Faithful Slave/Org/Watchtower Society, the sole dispenser of spiritual truths, completely ignorant of how God feels about the 6.6 billion people on earth?" "If worldly people are not necessarily Armageddon fodder then they can't all be 'bad associations', can they? Has the Watchtower Society recently encouraged JW youths to make more social ties with non-believers? Why not?" I would also add, "If your God is so generous with people of other faiths, persuasions and lifestyles, then there really is no urgency to reach people in the door-to-door work is there? After all, it is even better that they do not get to hear the good news, in order that God may not accidentally find them stubborn towards the Truth? Is your Organization more relaxed about the door to door work today than it was before? Why not?" If the JW should admit that many will die in Armageddon, just not "everyone who isn't a JW", then it is good to ask for an estimate. "Of the 6.6 billion people on earth today, how many would make a 'great crowd' of survivors? 6 million? 7 million? 1 billion? If you can't give me an estimate, how do you know that your Organization does not expect its members to be the sole survivors, esp in light of your feverish proselytism?" INQ

carla

Well said Inquistor! Thank you! and thanks everybody else too!

Shazard

But it is so eazy. If JW tells, that there will be saved ones who are not JW, then ask if then it is ok to not associate with Watchtower... JW will be painted into corner. If he says, you have to be associated with WT, then his previous claim falls, if he tells that it is not necessary to be a dub, then he will speak against his own very commitment and it will make him think what he is saying.

garybuss

You wrote: they just asked a jw this and the jw said that no they don't believe this

You're shadow boxing. There's no one there.

Either the non-Witness believes you or they don't. Witnesses I know, when confronted with a unfriendly doctrine of theirs will lie like a bed wetter. Witnesses even lie to me and I know better and they know I know better.

Witnesses try to defend a dishonest teaching with dishonesty . . . what a surprise!

rebel8

I have some literature quotes saying non-jws will be killed in my "Are jws Rational?" brochure. www.jwinfo.8m.com/activism.htm It's right in their literature, very clearly stated. Really no believable way for them to weasel their way out.

AK - Jeff

R8 is right. Jw's have never understood tact when writing the literature. You can't scare people into the "Ark of Salvation" if there are other boats to ride.

Jeff

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