Adam's Error and the Butterfly Effect

jgnat

In 1962 meterologist Lorenz simulated weather patterns with some simple mathematical formulas on his computer. For a while the results were predictable. But then, with very minor changes, the results went wildly erratic. Lorenz saw that the weather would change utterly if you started things out just a little differently. No wonder real weather is so unpredictable! Weather obeys physical laws. But if you change one breath of air, those laws will spin out in a wholly different story. Lorenz came to call this unpredictable result the "butterfly effect". That is, a single beat of a butterfly's wings in Brazil can change the weather in Beijing!

http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi652.htm

I was pondering God's perfect creation described in the Genesis story. How is it that a simple error in Adam's part could set in motion a catastrophic series of events that created pain and suffering for billions of God's creation? Never mind Adam. How is it that Satan was allowed disobedience and imparted with so much power?

Crumpet

I never knew there was any science behind that story of the butterfly. You sure have profound thoughts!

ex-nj-jw

Very interesting.....

nj

themonster123

The whole Adam "cake pan" illustration and the domino effect on us seemed so dumb- I could NEVER get that through my head. Witnesses would always tell me "Well, it's like if you drop a cake pan and it's dented-then every single cake you make after that is going to have the dent."....NO! WE ARE NOT CAKES! I could never buy the whole Adam sinned and thus every man after him sinned....that doesn't seem fair. But neither do the other rules in the Old Testament about how whatever a father does will be on his son's head-. You should be accountable for what YOU do and not what your father does.... Is God really that unjust to punish every person after b/c of what Adam did? (If the Adam story is even true).

If you really think about the details of it, it's stupid reasoning that it was b/c of God's "justice" he has let all this crap go on for so many years. But...think about the details-if something terrible happened to you, like you were raped, or your family lived in a war zone and all your family was killed, you're going to just sit back and go, "Well, it's okay cuz it was cuz of God's justice 6,000 years ago that he's letting all this bad stuff happen to me just to prove his way is the only right way and man cannot govern himself?"

It's too "big-picture" when the big picture comes down to the little picture and the little picture shoots you in a drive-by.

jgnat

Well, it's like if you drop a cake pan and it's dented-then every single cake you make after that is going to have the dent."....NO! WE ARE NOT CAKES!

I've always thought this explained the JW obsession with perfection/imperfection and mistaking this for sinless/sin. Here's the weird JW logic:

Adam was physically perfect and could live forever. He was sinless.

Adam sinned. => Adam was no longer perfect and dramatically reduced his earth-hour count. He was flawed and sinful.

It's not our fault, we inherited those bad genes, darnit!

Whatever happend to each man being accountable for his own choices?

jgnat

It's too "big-picture" when the big picture comes down to the little picture and the little picture shoots you in a drive-by.

Priceless, themonster! LOL. I'll try and remember that.

Also, if the "butterfly effect" includes Adam's error, could we then say we live in a chaotic world, without rhyme or reason?

Jim_TX

Add to this one thing that I always pondered...

When Jesus supposedly walked the earth... he is alledged to have performed miracles... curing the sick, etc.

One of those miracles was alledgedly resurrecting Lazurus - his friend.

As JWs we were taught that the 'wages of sin are death', etc. Well, Lazarus paid for his 'sins' and had died.

When he was resurrected... was he 'perfect'? Not according to the JW's way of teaching. Supposedly he was resurrected to an 'imperfect world'... and so would die again.

HUH????? So Jesus is not able to resurrect an individual to everlasting life - even though they have paid for their sins.

Or did I mis-understand the JW teachings?

Regards,

Jim TX

P.S. Not to mention the poor bast**** that will supposedly be ressurected after the big 'A' - who are then destroyed - after the 1000 years - when they decide to not be a part of the 'in crowd'. So - was their 'payment for sins' revoked - a lie, perhaps?

*shakes head* - I can't believe I actually believed this stuff...

jgnat

Under Jewish teaching, Lazarus' resurrection makes a lot more sense. Under jewish philosophy, what you do here on your time on earth, counts. Life has vitality and meaning. Lazarus was able to come back and be a support and comfort to his sisters.

forsharry

I always felt it was a cruel joke against us.

Here, I'll make you perfect, but in essence, you'll have no free will cause if you do anything i don't like I'll punish you big time.

Now you've gone and done it. No eternal life for you...and since you ruined it for everyone...no perfection for them either. I hope you're happy with yourself!

Oh, hello new baby...sorry but you gotta die. Oh, and by the way, you have to live up to all of the rules of perfections which would be no problem if you were perfect, but since you aren't you'll struggle with it for you entire 'grief' filled life and then you'll die. tee hee!

I mean, you buy into all of that, God's got a wicked evil sense of humor here!

Jim_TX

"Under Jewish teaching, Lazarus' resurrection makes a lot more sense. Under jewish philosophy, what you do here on your time on earth, counts. Life has vitality and meaning. Lazarus was able to come back and be a support and comfort to his sisters."

That's odd. I guess I also misunderstood the jewish teaching, too... I thought that the jews rejected Jesus, and were still looking for the messiah to return.

*scratches head*

Wow. Learn something new every day.

Regards,

Jim TX

Adam's Error and the Butterfly Effect

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