High impact ideas disproving the WTS (page 2)

Vinny

In addition to all of the PAST WT embarrassments, weird science, end of the world false predictions, medical disasters and doctrinal flip flops:

CURRENTLY Witnesses cannot even DISAGREE today with current WT teachings without risk of being disfellowshipped out. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY Witnesses cannot formally LEAVE the WT Society without being shunned and punished by all JW's (including your own family) for the rest of their life. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO brother wearing a beard is allowed congregational privileges. This policy is actually a CONTRAST to bible teachings.

CURRENTLY NO Witness is allowed to celebrate his or anybody's birthday without risk of expulsion. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO Witness is allowed to vote without risk of being expelled. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO Witness can celebrate Mothers Day Fathers Day, Thanksgiving, New Years Day 4th of July or many other holidays without risk of being expelled. Not found in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO Witness is allowed to work as a police officer or any other occupation where he carries a firearm and remain exemplary (or be used in the cong). Not in the bible. Used as a protection and to maintain peace and order.

CURRENTLY NO Witness that plays sports in school, becomes a cheerleader or joins after school clubs is viewed favorably. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY ALL Sisters are expected to wear dresses to all meetings and field service. No pants, jumpsuits, shorts etc. allowed. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO Witness can play the lottery without risk of expulsion. Nowhere found in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO Witness is allowed to participate in Martial Arts or Yoga. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO Witness that owns his own business can perform any services on church or military institutions. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.

CURRENTLY NO JW that averages less than double digits in the ministry qualifies for congregational responsibilities. (You can dip occasionally below but not on an average basis).

CURRENTLY one cannot accept a whole blood transfusion without being disfellowshipped even if dying is the likely result. Yet one can accept certain fractions of blood, even though other smaller oftentimes more vital fractions are not allowed. JW's do use these fractions taken from the worlds blood supply, often in great quantity, yet are not allowed to donate blood back into this very same blood supply they have taken from. And CURRENTLY Witnesses are not even allowed to withdraw and store their OWN blood for surgery or other emergencies.

CURRENTLY there is the Watctower's official website page of hypocrisy where all others are encouraged to examine their own faith, be willing to make a stand, even if different yet if a Witness does this very same thing they will be expelled.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2000/6/22/article_03.htm

CURRENTLY no bible study is told of all the past medical mistakes that cost thousands of lives, nor that the JW's mis-predicted the end of the world a dozen times, nor that thousands of brothers went to prison for refusing alternative service for 50 years before being made "conscience" matters. They are also never told that if you choose to leave the organization you will be shunned for the rest of your life unless you come back in full agreement with all current teachings. Nor are they ever told they cannot disagree with any current teachings. Bible studies will never know these things. I have personally found this out the hard way.

This is a very condensed list for you.

Vinny

Arthur

2. This religion hypocritically expects householders who open the door to JW ministers to read material which is designed to change that householder's views about their own religion, yet, these selfsame "ministers" refuse to allow their own people to read material designed to change theirs.

This is an interesting observation Terry. This was probably the most troubling aspect that I grappled with for several years when I was a JW. It was for this very reason that field service became more and more stressful for me.

For every single door that I knoced on; I knew just how disingenuous I was being; not to mention hypocritical. How could I expect Catholics to seriously question their Pope when I was not willing to question my Governing Body?

Kudra

Vinny and Terry- very powerful, thank you.

Threads like this always end up making me want to puke...

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steve2

The single most high impact evidence disproving the WTS: In it's more than 130 years of official existence, No Watchtower prediction has ever come true.

Arthur

The single most high impact evidence disproving the WTS: In it's more than 130 years of official existence, No Watchtower prediction has ever come true.

I would say that this is one of the biggest factors as to why so many mainstream Christians do not bother listening to JWs at the door anymore. They are at least partially aware of these failures. Many Evangelicals are quite knowledgable about the Watchtower's 1914, 1918, 1925 predictions. All of this can be quickly found out on the internet.

I would dare say that the typical "worldly" person who does any in-depth research into the Watchtower Society's history will know significantly more than most JWs will.

Raymond Franz himself admitted that he had not been fully aware of the magnitude of false teachings that had been advanced until he became a member of the headquarter staff and had access to the writings of Russell and Rutheford.

Black Sheep

I have a noticeable physical deformity that is a consequence of waiting for paradise.

It is an excellent conversation starter.

I can quote every publication that led to this stupidity.

No JW can deny anything that I say about it as I quote the name, date and page number to back it up.

Cheers
Chris

Mrs Smith

Hi Green Dawn

How about showing them from the bible that there is NO Way that Jesus is Michael.

Terry

2. This religion hypocritically expects householders who open the door to JW ministers to read material which is designed to change that householder's views about their own religion, yet, these selfsame "ministers" refuse to allow their own people to read material designed to change theirs.
This is an interesting observation Terry. This was probably the most troubling aspect that I grappled with for several years when I was a JW. It was for this very reason that field service became more and more stressful for me.
For every single door that I knoced on; I knew just how disingenuous I was being; not to mention hypocritical. How could I expect Catholics to seriously question their Pope when I was not willing to question my Governing Body?

You can throw the "Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are..." at the JW when this hypocricy comes up and it fazes them not at all. I know well.....my friend Johnny refuses to read Crisis of Conscience because he doesn't WANT TO KNOW anything that will "weaken his faith".

Bah, Humbug!!

OnTheWayOut

If you had to explain to a non Jehovah's Witness -------------------------------- the reasons why the WT religion is not
worth being with, and why it is worthy of disapproval,

To a non-witness, you simply explain that JW's are in a mind-control cult which uses deceitful recruiting techniques and
coercive pressure and fear-tactics to maintain membership. You could go into the BITE method explained by COMBATTING
CULT MIND CONTROL by Steve Hassan.

If you had to explain to ------------------------------------ a Jehovah's Witness (better called Watchtower's Witness) the reasons
why the WT religion is not worth being with, and why it is worthy of disapproval,

As stated previously, see what the individual JW thinks and work with that. If I knew nothing but were allowed to
try to convince a JW what's wrong with JW's, I would have to start from the Bible definition of a false prophet, then
show how they called themselves prophets, they stated that the doctrines were "God's promises" and they changed
their doctrines, used doublespeak to say they are not false prophets.

why is that religion not good, why are you accusing it?

I'm not sure what context this question fits, but stating that they are a mind-control cult gets people's attention. That's
high impact. Saying that their rules protect pedophiles would get people's attention. Informing someone that they actually
are disappointed that their God, Jehovah has not yet destroyed 99.9% of all men, women, and children on earth- that would
be high impact.

High impact ideas disproving the WTS

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