+ dear carmel... But there was another great eagle with large wings and many feathers; and behold, this vine bent its roots toward him, and stretched its branches toward him, from the garden terrace where it had been planted, that he might water it. It was planted in good soil by many waters, to bring forth branches, bear fruit, and become a majestic vine. Say, Thus says the Lord GOD: "Will it thrive? Will he not pull up its roots, cut off its fruit and leave it to wither? All of its spring leaves will wither, and no great power or many people will be needed to pluck it up by its roots. Behold, it is planted, will it thrive? Will it not utterly wither when the east wind touches it? It will wither in the garden terrance where it grew." Moreover the word of the LORD came to me saying, Say now to the rebellious house: "Do you not know what these things mean?" Tell them," Indeed the king of Babylon went to Jerusalem and took its kings and princes, and led them with him to Babylon... ...Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "As I live, surely My oath which he despised, and My covenant which he broke, I will recompense on his own head. I will spread My net over him, and he shall be taken in My snare. I will bring him to Babylon and try him there for the treason which he committed against Me. All his fugitives with all his troops shall fall by the sword, and those who remain shall be scattered to every wind; and you shall know that I, the LORD, have spoken. Thus says the Lord GOD: " I will take also one of the highest branches of the high cedar and set it out. I will crop off from the topmost of its young twigs a tender one, and will plant it on a high and prominent mountain. On the mountain height of Israel I will plant it; and it will bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a majestic cedar. Under it will dwell birds of every sort; in the shadow of its branches they will dwell. And all the trees of the field shall know that I, the LORD, have brought down the high tree and exalted the low tree, dried up the green tree and made the dry tree flourish; I, the LORD, have spoken it and have done it." (Ezekiel 17:7-10, 19-24) love michelle(1 Peter 5:13) xo
Altering reality where do you stand......
by fifi40 35 Replies latest jw friends
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Anti-Christ
fifi40 well I don't really remember every thing but he told me to look out the window and I did, god was on the tv which is pretty weird to begin with, so I look through the window and saw the "Dawn of the dead" end of the world.. not very fun I don't recommend it. Funny thing is that experience started to make me doubt the existence of god.
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sass_my_frass
I've noticed that everybody I know who think they can alter reality with substances just make a worse reality for themselves. What they're really trying to do is alter their perception of reality, which can be done better and permanently without substances.
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RichieRich
I find no need to consume alcohol or use controlled substances to increase the pleasure in my life.
I do, on occasion, have a drink or two, but never get drunk or anything. One or two drinks does nothing to me, and I only do it maybe once a month.
Drugs are dumb. I have way too much good stuff going on in my life to let anything get in the way of that.
I do however, do wierd things with my mind. Instead of doing drugs, I do pain. I get tattooed once a week or so, and I get pierced regularly as well. I find the endorphin rush to be interesting, and it does wierd things with my head, but its all controlled by me.
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BR25
There is nothing wrong about what jws think you should and should not do. So they dont like all these things big wuppp. Since I left I drink to get crazy, and I smoked pot alot, tried a couple of lines, but nothing more mostly pot, but in no means was a way of self medication. You are all so opiniated on here I dont even no why you would say that. The way I understand it from most peoples comments this is a better way of life. Only been posting on here a few days but am really confused on alot of peoples views. I understand why people may not agree with jws which is fine, but some peoples reasoning I just dont get it. So many bring up many interesting points about jws and their beliefs and some it seems even put a little heart behind it, and then they give their reasons why they do things and then I just become completely baffled. Makes no sense what so ever. Maybe it is just me, but it seems like with alot of topics on here the jws way of thinking and why they do things has alot more reasoning behind it then why other people do the exact opposite.
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fifi40
BR25 I dont really get your point can you be a bit clearer. Are you peed off that I am saying some people use drugs and alcohol as a means of escapism; that over abuse leads to problems, or that my lack of comfort with people doing this may stem from an upbringing which viewed these types of over indulgence as wrong?
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BR25
Fifi 40
I'll try to be more clear. When it comes to this topic I was just saying I did alot of bad things when I stopped going, but it being a way of a self cure is dumb to me. The way people word things they talk about things they missed out on like drugs and alcohol. To me why are these things so bad to miss out on.
On other topics such as paradise people poke fun of how it would be.( whether you believe in it or not) the things people listed shoudnt be considered bad. No adultery, no dieing, cussing, everyone drinking from the same water and then people say how boring. Why? cause they are so used to life we live now. people dont have to agree, but geese if this was the case it should be a blessing. It is just some people dog on the jws and then they give their reasons why and I feel sometimes that I am talking to people of 2nd grade intelligence.
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Warlock
You do not have to ingest anything at all to alter your reality.
You can just live in the fantasies and untruths conjured up in your mind.
Warlock
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Brigid
I have voiced this type of sentiment to Daystar, who has been out far longer than I have. I have a similar feeling at times, though not quite the same. I just get a feeling sometimes (when I'm around heavy heavy partying) of being very far from home...and yet, not knowing what home is. It's weird. It's not judgement because I do not care what people do to/with their bodies (and I myself indulge and over indulge occasionally). Nor is it fear--some of the heaviest partiers I've been around are the sweetest, gentlest fragile human beings I've ever met. It's just that, that feeling of being far away from home. I don't know how else to explain it.
Then again, I felt more a "stranger in a strange land" with the witnesses than I ever do with *gasp* the world. So, perhaps I am destined to walk between worlds.
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fifi40
BR25 - ok I think I get you. It is my opinion that all folk are at different stages in their lives, different levels of understanding and have different ways of handling things. I was raised as a JW for instance and in some ways miss the 'false comfort' that being part of that religion gave me. But I am not blind to its teachings anymore. I agree with you that some of what the JWs teach is not bad and if the paradise hope were real, or i believed it to be real I would go for it. But I have concluded it is not.
It is only by discussion and debate that we learn anything, so if someone seems opinionated to you whats the problem, by putting your view forward one of you might learn something or reconsider their way of reasoning.
Try to be patient, the world is a mixed bag of all sorts.
Fifi