Is being a Jehovahs Witness sometimes a good thing..............

by fifi40 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • fifi40
    fifi40

    To explain this thread I need to tell a sad and horrific story about someone that was once a friend...............for the sake of privacy I will refer to her as Carol.

    I met Carol in the about 1990. I was not a JW (had left when I was 16 and unbaptised). I was suffering with panic attacks, I think for many reasons but mainly because I had recently lost my dad and took it very hard. I lived with my then boyfriend, who later became my husband in a town in South Yorkshire. Because of the panic attacks and my JW upbringing I prayed on and off and hey presto the JWs turned up at my door.................I kinda saw this as some kind of sign. Carol lived up the road (literally) from me and was a JW and I started to study with her and another sister. The panic attacks stopped, I made rapid progress, my boyfriend started studying with a brother who was very enigmatic and soon we were married and both baptised.

    Carol's history was that she was not raised with any religion, had been heavily into drugs in her teens and right up to having her first child and then stopped. A friend of her's had become a witness and through her, she too became one.

    Carol and I came became good friends, she was a bit of a nutter and good fun to be around. Her husband was not a JW and she was not that happy with him. When I first knew her she was very studious, loved the truth, was raising her two boys as JWs and pioneered as and when she could. Fast forward a couple of years and she became involved with a married brother in the congregation and as a result ended up disfellowshipped. During this episode she also slept with her flesh and blood brother (sorry to shock folks) but its true and she told me how as children he had had sex with her when her parents were out. She had been drunk one night at the time she was involved with the married brother, and he had come into her room and they had ended up there again. She was disgusted with herself. I was still a JW at the time and had nothing to do with her because of the disfellowshipping, but heard stuff about her getting into drugs again, she had left hubby and was with another man and was pregnant with her third child.

    After I was d/fed I got in touch with her and went to see her. She told me she was using heroin (again) and her life appeared to be very messy. By this time she had four children, the youngest being a baby. She was diabetic and at 7 months into her pregnancy had been confined to hospital because of the pregnancy, diabetics can have very large babies and she was tiny. She used to sneak out of the hospital in the early hours of the morning, walk a mile to a friends house, scale a 6 foot wall with the aid of a wheely bin to get to people she knew would supply her with drugs but wouldnt answer the front door. I found all this very horrific and sad. There was a lovely person inside this shell of a human and I had once known that lovely person.

    Several months later (from the first visit) I got contacted by her family to say she was seriously ill in hospital. I drove an hour and half up the country to find my once adored friend, swollen and bloated, unable to hold a conversation and just about alive. A heroin overdose. She survived this and was in hospital for quite a while and I visited her as often as I could. being in hospital she got clean and was very positive about staying that way.

    Sadly, once free of hospital, she slipped back in with the old aquaintances and the last time I saw her she told me she was injecting into her groin because her other veins were not standing up to it. She has since died leaving four children.

    I tell this story hoping you will not judge her to harshly. She had been abused from an early age and she never got the right help to sort herself out .

    When I first knew her she was a lovely, warm, gregarious, devout human being trying to do her best in life. Being a JW had helped her get to this point. When I last saw her she was a sad, addicted shell of a human being whom I couldnt trust to leave with my handbag.

    Would she have been better staying a misled JW?

    I remember in her good days she once said to me "When I was growing up I always dreamed I'd live forever and then I got the truth"

    I have my own thoughts on this matter but am interested in your opinions.

    And I kind of wanted to tell her story in memory of a dear person and friend, who life battered so badly from an early age, and who in the end turned it all in on herself.

    Fi

  • R.Crusoe
    R.Crusoe

    The Truth appeared as a perfect haven for her from her sad world, but when it didn't tick in time with her soul and persona ,as she only found out after submerging herself in it, she wasn't helped back into society, she felt like an utter and complete reject. Failed in her former life and now thrown out by God and his people. A destroyed soul with no hope and a complete hatred of herself because she had nothing left in her that she felt she could offer to her children to better their futures. Life had wasted her and all she needed was love and support - unconditionally! Fuck the rules!

  • PEC
    PEC

    IMO she is better off dead than being a JW. Being a JW other lives will be destroyed.

    Philip

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I think this may apply to many people.

    Like your friend I too had been sexually abused as a child. By my late teens I was starved for any kind of attention and the only way I knew to get it from men was sex. I really think being a JW at that point saved me from the kind of life your friend lived.

    My sister did go that route and committed suicide on 2005. As soon as she could she was out of my mother's house (with a lot of help from my mother) My sister told me she still believed that the JWs had the truth and since she could not live with that type of strict life and try to be perfectly good, she would be perfectly bad. She thought she could never measure up.

    But we were both seriously damaged not only by your childhood abuses but by the WT-imposed lifestyle. She got out young. I stayed in. But slowly I was dying inside. On the outside few people knew the extreme depressions I lived through. I plastered a fake smile on my face and presented the image of a good elder's wife and mother to our 2 daughters. But I hated myself. I wanted to die. And I saw no way out.

    But it takes a tremendous amount of energy to deny to yourself the high cost of trying to meet this ideal standard.

    Should she have stayed a JW?

    Well I really believe that as long as those childhood abuse issues remained untreated eventually it would come out regardless of the lifestyle she chose

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    Your story about "Carol" is heartbreaking.

    I have to point out, though, that "Carol's" story is what happened to her AS A WITNESS. She was a Witness when she met you. For all I know (your story doesn't say) it was as a JW child that she suffered abuse. The Witnesses disfellowshipped her. Her life then spiraled out of control, as it does for many disfellowshipped people who've been deprived of the very anchor of their lives.

    For "Carol," it seems that being a Jehovah's Witness was a very bad thing. If she'd never been in contact with them I would bet her life would have been a lot happier.

  • Warlock
    Warlock
    Would she have been better staying a misled JW?

    I have a relative that is a heroin addict and is very sick. She was also a J.W.

    I think it would have been better for both your friend and my relative to live a lie, rather than such a hard truth. I'm sorry about your friend.

    Warlock

  • NotaNess
    NotaNess

    I'm gonna inject other faiths here. This issue can point out the difference between the Borg, and Christ based Faiths. I know, one can't be sure of what I'm gonna say, but it is a reply with some truth.

    Many church congregations have support groups for people like her. If she would have been in one of these types of Churches, she more than likely would not have experienced complete shunning as taught by the watchtower. She would have been lifted up by friends and members who see Sin as told by scripture, and given her love to try and overcome the adultery, the addictions and so on. This happens everyday across Awerica in what the WTS wants to call False religion.

    She had no chance with backstabbing shunning. Witnesses in Christ's time would have mocked and shunned the lady at the well.

  • fifi40
    fifi40

    R.Crusoe - I fully understand your sentiment. Sadly she did have people around her who cared and would have done whatever to help her. The trouble is heroin is like a cancer, it eats at your soul and she would lie to and deceive the very people that were any good for her. It was almost like she had given up on life and was hell bent on destoying herself. I too beleive if it works, fuck the rules, but the person suffering has got to want it to work. Sadly I think she had gone beyond wanting to be helped.

  • fifi40
    fifi40

    Lady Lee - Thank you for your reply. I always have deep respect for your posts, which at times must be very difficult to post about. You always make me feel like I want to give you a huge hug. Two things you said struck me, firstly the fake plastered smile, that was 'Carol' to a tee, she was always smiling and messing about, and her smile sometimes even appeared false and I suppose this was because of all the hurt she was carrying around inside of her. I wish she had been honest about the abuse a lot earlier than she was, she might have got the right help then, but it only came out when her life was spiralling madly downwards.

    Secondly I agree, it wouldnt have mattered what life style she had chosen, i think the issues would have arisen at some point and would have needed dealing with.

    Thanks again

    Fi

  • fifi40
    fifi40

    Underbeliever - No she was not raised as a JW. She got it later in life, sometime in her 20's. That was my point really, that the only time she 'appeared' in control and relatively happy was when she became a JW. Sadly the JWs lack the support system, understanding and information necessary to deal with the types of problems she had personally.

    I have seen this with other ex witnesses, they are disfellowshipped for a wrong they commit and then completely shunned. It is not very easy when you have low self worth in the first place to overcome deep issues you have on your own, and when you find yourself ignored by the very people you have become close to, who profess to love you you can feel very limited in where to go. It is very easy to sink into a mire and not respond to the help that is available.

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