Does a grandchild suffer because a parent leaves the organization

by orangefatcat 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    While I was in the organization my parents hardly bothered wih my son even though we lived right next door to one another, for seven years, many times I strongly believed my parents took out their anger on my son because they were pissed off with me especially when I wasn't active towards the end of my departure of the org. But no one in my family had a clue I was plotting to leave the organization, so I wondered why they never took my boy out with them or they never took him out like they took out their other grandkids.

    Even after I left the organization my mother has spoken to my son three times and that is about the same with my sisters. What is the reason? I will never know I guess.

    He is hurt seeing how hypocritical they all are by never ever having been there for me when I was in the org. My parents always heaped more love on all there other grandchildren except Richard. He was such a good boy too. When he was younger he would cry and say why doesn't grandma and grandpa ignore us. He is deeply hurt and he told me that if ever again my sister or mom try and contact him, to say how much they love him. Then in the next breathe tell him, oh richard don't let your mother bring you down from serving Jehovah. barf..

    My son laughed so much, he had the smarts along time ago to see the hypocricy of the witnesses. He stopped going to meetings and service when he was around 15, I know I use to push him to come to the kingdom hall but I didn't do a very good job, thank God for that. But his dad was something else, he was always on richard case but as a father he never took time to get to even know his son as he was too busy preaching to everyone in the neighbourhood. he never took richard camping, or a ball game or for a walk or take him anywhere. It was always Richard and I who did everything together, we went everywhere together, I taught him to fish swim camp, go to ball games. while daddyo was never around from early morning to dusk. Sad sad sad.

    It has always irked me how much my family have left him out of family gatherings on account of my choices. Richard is 28 now and he says mom it doesn't bother me anymore I got over it. It is you (me) that has been more hurt by your family. I hate them he tells me, I know your parents also showed more favoritism to all my other cousins,

    I have often wondered why did they treat my son so badly. It has really bothers me, but I would never tell my son that. Talk about love. Maybe it just flies over their heads.

    Have any of you had similar experiences?

    orangefatcat.

  • LeslieV
    LeslieV

    When I decided to leave the borg my girls were 12, 9, 6. All of my family and their father's family are JW's. Their father is a pioneer elder in a local congregation. He has never had much to do with his girls, due to the fact that he told them he could not talk to me. What a load of poop.

    My girls lost all of their family, but this last summer my ex-brother in law passed away and we attended his funeral. All of the girls cousins are very close to their JW family, since they were raised with them. Mine raised by me. I have to tell you I was never so glad that I got away from the religion and the dysfunction of that religion. My girls are well adjusted, kind, compassionate, and educated. Their cousins are judmental, mean, and never had the opportunity to go to school. They all are home schooled, and never pushed to even think about any higher education. When I got home I thanked my lucky stars that I got them away from that mess. I too like you felt bad that my kids were always slighted compared to their cousins. You need to understand that you got your son away that is the best thing you could have done for him.

    Leslie

  • Mary
    Mary
    I have often wondered why did they treat my son so badly. It has really bothers me, but I would never tell my son that. Talk about love. Maybe it just flies over their heads. Have any of you had similar experiences?

    Some people are just not capable of loving their own flesh and blood in the normal sense and this religion, with it's extreme form of shunning, cam be used as an excuse not to associate with family members who leave or don't toe the line. I've seen it happen several times in various families. My own observation is that these 'holier-than-thou' family members who shun their own flesh and blood either had emotional problems to begin with, or it's being used as a form of control and punishment over the erring family member. Truly sick behaviour and I'm really sorry your son was treated this way OFC.

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    Leslile and Mary thanks for you kind words and also your story. I am so glad that you feel as I do.

    Maybe if my family had shown my son some kind of love and care he may have stayed with the witnesses , but I am happy he saw through that.

    I recollect one spring my parents took sisters children to a sugaring off party, that is where you go to the maple bush and see how sap is turned into syrup, they have log cabins for dancing and pancake meals and its alot of fun as I myself have been to many of these sugaring off parties in Quebec,

    Anyway I found out after the fact that everyone in my sisters family my aunt who is not a witness and my parents favourite grandkids when to that spring event. Can you imagine my disdain for my family for having not included my sweet son. I never told him about that as it would have hurt him deeply. Had i the chuzpah to say something to my family about this, maybe things would have been better, Maybe I am just dreaming.

    You are right Mary, so many of the witnesses are basket cases. I shouldn't really use that term but mentaly and emotionally destroyed. My entire family condemned me for having to take medication for depression and anti seizure meds. My mother and father said I was opening my mind to allow the devil to get inside of my mind. They were forever shunning me even before I left and the disfellowshipped from the org.

    Those tables all turned when my mother was told by her doctors she had compulsive obsessive condition and required medication. But hey that would be an appoarch to the demons . Now that was a real paradox if I ever knew of one. Oh heaven what was she going to do?? Her doctor started her out with Zoloft and paxill. I never said a t hing to her but my blood boiled when it was okay for her to take these so called mind altering drugs meds. How sad.. Then it was my sisters turn she was suffering from sxtreme depression and anxiety attacks, but she was in denial as her doctor told her that her blood pressure was way up, she was forever screaming at her beautiful boys and hurting them so the doctor told her she needed to be on paxill. During one of so called moments of insanity she threw her sone down a flight of stairs in her home and I am talking about 14 steps. She has a volitile anger problem. I even told my doctor of this incident and I told him I wanted to report her to the Childrens Aid Society, but she would have known that I reported her that is why I told my doctor in hopes he would report her. He knew my sister and my mother because he had tended to them on occasions when they were angry with their own doctor. I was so mad and didn't know what to do. I told my mom and all she said is we are going to have to make certain that her boys would be okay. That is why I spent most of my time a their home as I was so worried about the kids.

    When she started gainning weight God forbid, as she said to me one day,,"Terry I never want to be as fat as you are." I don't want to take those medication either". Apparently you gain weight when you take paxill, so she was told.

    She expressed her dismay to the doctor who then put her on Zoloft. She too must have put her head down in shame as she accused me of having made an approach to the demons by all the medicaations I was taking. I could have been a mean bitch and said something back to them all, but what would the purpose be, it would appear that I went down to their level of accusation. Sometimes as they say, "silence is golden and speaking is silver." This I think was one of those times.

    Children are so percious and I love them deeply, I recollect after having lost my 4mth old fetus, I had a ruptured ectopic pregnacy and was assured that I could never have a child so you can't imagine the joy and happiness I felt when just three years later I was pregnant. Even with all that joy in my heart my stupid ex husband said to me, "Well I am not going to get excited about in case you lose this baby too. He literally shattered my dream of becoming a mom, and it almost happened that my son after he was born in 1978 was struck with strep B meningitis which at that time no cure or vaccine was available, but because the Montreals Royal Victoria Hospital was part of McGill University, and that very year had developed a new vaccine for strep B strain and yet hadn't been used on an infant yet and so the director of the hospital and the doctors which were many came to tell me how very critical my infant was in only after been born several hours earlier. They told me of this non tested vaccine and wanted to know if I would like to have my son recieve this . He was the first infant ever to recieve it and it was a total success only the residual damage to Richard was Epilipsy(they told me that all kinds of terrible problems could result from taking the vaccine but I didn't care) I just wanted my baby to be alive even if he had gotten mental illness, blindness, heart conditons, epilipsy and a host of other problems, but I knew in my heart that he was flesh of my flesh and was willing to take him any way at any cost. He is a wonderful son aged 28 and many of you know how I feel about my son.

    Well this is a long response, sorry about that, but I just need to share a part of my story with the ones I love here in JWD.

    love Orangefatcat

  • LeslieV
    LeslieV

    Thank goodness your son was ok, and I still can't say this loud enough...THANK YOU GOD YOU GOT HIM AWAY FROM THE CULT!!!!!!!

    Leslie

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    Leslie you are so kind thank you and yes I thank God he isn't a JW to.

    You know what Leslie? I use to have a friend who was in the same congregation as myself back in the mid 60's, and she was the sweetest and kindest person I knew. Her name was also Leslie. She was so full of life. And we always laughed and laughed like this gal was high on life. I know sometimes there are some really decent witnesses and I hope they find their way out of that malicious cult. Have you ever visited BrendaLee's website. She had a newsletter she prepared every month, I use to love them so much anyway she couldn't continue giving them freely so you have to pay for her newsletters now and it is only available in the USA, but I have saved every copy she printed and she has some great stories to tell. She even wrote a book. And now she is doing radio and televison programs on how to get out of t he Watchtower or any other cult.

    if you would like her website I will give it to you, I am not sure if the rules in JWD allow one to publish someone url site.

    Anyway getting back to Leslie and her family.

    Her wonderful kind brother unfortunately committed suicide, several years ago, we were in the same congregation, It devasted so many of us. He was so full of life, I often wondered what it was that lead him to that point. There is one thing I can think of that may have lead to his death and that was his extremely flirtatious wife. He wasn't even cold in his grave and she was with anther guy and then she was disfellowshiped because she and this other bro. had committed adultrey. It took several years before she was reinstated, she married that other brother, but I found her conduct so disgraceful.

    Would you tell me where you live. You can privately post me or contact me at my email dranitsaris@rogers. com.

    Hope to hear from you again

    love Orangefatcat

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    Let it go petal. Clearly he's survived the process. Just enjoy his company, it's not that big a deal in the long term.

  • LeslieV
    LeslieV

    I also used to visit BrendaLee's website, and she sent me her newsletter via email. Unfortunately, since she changed to pay only I haven't been getting them.

    I have no problem with anyone knowing who I am. I am notorious in my area as an apostate, so there is nothing about me that anyone doesn't know already. If you want to know alittle about me google my name. I live in Jamestown NY and when you google my name you will see it says that I am an ex-JW. Talk care OFC. You have done good by your son.

    Leslie Vattimo

  • Scully
    Scully

    If a grandparent is going to shun their grandchildren based on the fact that the grandchildren's parent(s) are no longer JWs, then I'd say that their actions speak for themselves. A child does not need that kind of manipulative conditional "love" from anyone, and they're better off not having the grandparents in their lives if there is a price tag involving emotional blackmail.

    My grandparents were not JWs, but it was clear that my non-JW cousins were favoured over my JW siblings and me. Just going to my grandparents' home, there were all kinds of photos of my non-JW cousins on the walls, on the mantle, on top of the TV, and none of my siblings and me - not a single one - despite my parents giving them scads of photos over the years - we found them stashed away in a box after they'd passed away.

    The tradition continues - last time I visited my JW family, there were no pics of me or Mr Scully or our children - but lots of pics from the rest of the family (even those who did not become JWs). That's kind of why it was the "last time I visited".

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    HI OFC, some people are jerks and they would be no matter what religion they were a part of. I'm glad your son did well! Mine is 19 and had Group B. Strep also, right after birth. That is a hell of a ride, isn't it? A nurse caught it in time and he has had no repercussions from it (unless driving too fast and being 19 and obnoxious counts). My mom is a JW and adores her grandkids, though when she got all theocratic on me and shunned me for a few months, she didn't see the kids either. (Love me, love my kids!)

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