Is It "Wrong" To Say That Someone "Sounds" Black??

by minimus 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Confession....You raise a rather interesting point, that in the case of Obama, the potentially offensive discouse about blacks sounding articulate (by the standard of not "sounding black") may indeed run up against a person who truly is articulate by any standard. In fact, rather than highlighting Obama's racial status, such language could be intended to contrast him against certain inarticulate recent American presidents (as David Letterman's "Great Speechs in Presidential History" repeatedly underscores), a point in which race is not foregrounded. But a person intending to make this point may easily be misunderstood (especially since all the current candidates are more articulate than Bush), as there is already a broader discourse in American society about articulate blacks, which reflects the tendency that one's intended meaning is not necessarily communicated in a discursive context that imposes a more familiar social meaning. Anyway, we shall see tonight how Obama performs under the hot spotlight of a presidential debate.

    AK-Jeff...Indeed, the dialect of English that is commonly perceived as "sounding black" (which, as a sociolect, originated in the U.S. South in black communities under segregation), is very closely related to certain varieties of southern white English, sharing many features in common (such as the pin/pen merger, in which /eh/ sounds like /ih/ before nasal consonants, the monophthongization of diphthongs like /wa:t/ as "white", the deletion of liquids before mid front vowels like "he'p" for "help", the use of "aks" as a variant for "ask," the use of done as a completive verb, etc.) -- revealing the common origin of both. I actually taught a class last year that covered this subject. Many of these features, in turn, come from certain British dialects (especially Scots English and northern dialects), and there was a much higher proportion of Scots speakers in the U.S. south than in the north, where other British dialects were much more of an influence. So black families who always lived in the northern states since the colonial era would have spoken a different dialect than the blacks who originally came from the south (in the Great Migration). There is not one kind of dialect spoken by American blacks, the only reason why this one dialect is so common that whites generally think of it as "sounding black" is that the majority of blacks who spread throughout the U.S. during the eras of reconstruction and Jim Crow came from the southern states which had developed a more distinctive way of speaking compared to the dialects of the northern states. If you go to London, you'll hear a different dialect spoken by blacks over there, whether Cockney, Estuary, or some other British dialect there (or Jamaican or whatever).

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    I saw Boston Legal this past Tuesday and Denny Crane said he was impressed by the "articulate" man who didn't "sound" black. This caused an uproar!!! In a re-run on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry David makes a comment that's insulting to a black person and has to immediately apologize for being politically incorrect.

    Your opinion on this question, please.

    My comment is when one says the articulate man who doesnt sound black, that is a back handed comment that person is picking up one black person and putting down the rest. The person who makes that kind of comment is displaying an arrogant attitude and when one puts a chip on their sholder someone will try and knock it off.

    When one says the articulate man who doesnt sound black, they are saying that blacks sound inarticulate which is a provacative comment that I would think would be met with vivid response.

  • minimus
    minimus

    You don't believe that many stereotypes are true??

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    Help me out, Minimus, what stereotype in particular are you referring to?

  • minimus
    minimus

    Almost any stereotype....Example: The English have lousy teeth. Italians are emotional. Some of the brightest students happen to be Asian. Irishmen love to drink.----How's that??

  • prophecor
    prophecor

    Only in America can I tell when someone is black. If they are from another country I.E. Great Britain, or France for instance, I can't tell when they are black and when they are not. Even if they be white and tryin to sound black, yahhhhmeen? I can always tell. Though I've seen lotsa whitefolk, that's blacker than I is.

  • MinisterAmos
    MinisterAmos

    Can I say that many people play up to their stereotype? Everyone likes to be part of a larger group and they often affect the diction, speech pattern and vocabulary of the group they associate with.

    Hell, Eminen and Vanilla Ice "sound" black. That would be the black stereotype as imagined by suburban white youth. My Chinese/Black Jamaican friend sounds British and was educated in private schools there.

    I guess it all depends on how much TV you watch and whether your parents forced you to go to cotillion and take diction classes.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    This thread's the real deal not that "white" one.

    You're acting kind of "white" minimus.

    Nvr

  • lonelysheep
    lonelysheep

    That depends on what a person defines as "sounding black".

  • trevor
    trevor

    caligirl said

    I for one applaud anything politically incorrect.

    I second this.

    There is far too much nonsense being inflicted on us by government in an attempt to control the way we think and make us frightened to speak our minds. George Orwell went on about thought police and they are now a reality.

    Tom Jones related that when he was starting out a black singer heard him and thought he was black. He had that quality to his voice. Tom Jones took this as a compliment. Was the black guy being racist? Was Tom Jones being racist?

    Who gives a toss! They were just telling it like it is.

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