Attended Memorial Service, disgusted...

by Wasanelder Once 30 Replies latest jw experiences

  • looking_glass
    looking_glass

    Wasa - sorry to hear about your experience.

    I agree w/ yada. I think it has to do w/ the person who is requesting the funeral and the knucklehead elder that thinks he is running the show. The funeral I went to in Nov. was a large cross mixture of people. My friend's mom made sure that EVERYONE including DF'd, DA'd and inactive ones were welcome. The elder who got up and gave the talk did the usual JW thing, but there were a couple of guys who got up and spoke and one guy read a poem that the mom wrote. Then at the end a ballad from a 80's big hair hard rock band played (my buddies favorite love song so to speak). Obviously the funeral was not at the KH, so all of this was w/i the control of the mom.

    The only down side were the crazy, over the top JWs who were there and the dumb@$$ stuff that they said. Otherwise, it was rather nice, or as nice as it can be for such a young guy who died.

  • themonster123
    themonster123

    Hey Yadayayda, that's good that they actually had people talk about the person.

    I went to a memorial for an older brother about 3 months ago-I'm too young to really experience a lot of funerals, (JW or other)-this was not that long before I left! anyway, the brother was about 85 years old, faithful Witness, had gone to prison for it when he was younger and all that stuff..(WWII)....yeah, i was pretty angry, too, that we didn't have a funeral like how I'd seen on TV- NO ONE got up to talk about him!!! Or share his life experiences, or "It was so funny when he did that or this..." or "I remember when...." It was like a 45 minute talk about NOT him by an elder!!!

    After I left, I asked my MOm why people weren't allowed to get up and say a few words about him and I said something like, "Isn't that what you're supposed to do at a funeral?" And she kind of scoffed like, "No." Ummmm.....jeez, the guy gets no words or memories from his friends at his funeral!?

    There was a little after-funeral dinner for him at the community center where many people came and they had a photo collage posters of him on the wall, but still.....at a funeral is the time to talk about the person........ I was surprised how little they said about him at the funeral-it was all religious religious religious.

    It would probably be seen as "too casual" to actually share anything NON-religious about him!!! Jeez, Witnesses are friggin crazy man... Not everything should be so RELIGIOUS blah blah blah all the time.

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    Strange. The two JW funeral services I went to in the last couple of years were quite balanced. They had a range of people getting up and giving experiences about the persons life, including one or two non-JW relatives, but there was also some preachy stuff.

    This might have happened at a memorial service at a funeral home but I can't believe it would EVER happen at a K.H. The STANDARD K.H. spiel includes very little about the person and deals with the faith and hopes for the future. No one is ALLOWED on the platform except the elder conducting the talk and certainly any jw's would be excluded automatically.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    The very last time I ever stepped in a hall was for a funeral talk and I too was disgusted. 30 minutes of Watchtower doctrine. It was only at the end that they mentioned the person, and then it was a simple statement that "this is the hope that ... believed in". I felt very sorry for the mourning family.

  • Frank75
    Frank75
    Strange. The two JW funeral services I went to in the last couple of years were quite balanced. They had a range of people getting up and giving experiences about the persons life, including one or two non-JW relatives, but there was also some preachy stuff.
    This might have happened at a memorial service at a funeral home but I can't believe it would EVER happen at a K.H. The STANDARD K.H. spiel includes very little about the person and deals with the faith and hopes for the future. No one is ALLOWED on the platform except the elder conducting the talk and certainly any jw's would be excluded automatically.

    It happened once in my experience. An actual eulogy, in a kingdom hall. A former JW friend's (aren't they all?) mother in law died in Austria after a serious operation. They had a funeral in Australia and wanted to have memorial service in Canada. She was a well known Austrian holocaust survivor who knew all of the JW survivors.

    In the week or so before the service my friend called everyone he knew at bethel and Brooklyn, even Garret Louche who was a personal friend. No one, not even him, would cancel their assignments to give the talk. It was pitiful. In the final moments Glen Howe who was\is the big shot Watchtower lawyer took it on and canceled some assembly part he was to give. It was an awesome talk. He looked out on the audience and held up his outline and said, "everyone here knows every word and scripture in this outline, so there is no need to review it. We are just going to talk about Mary and her life."

    There was also another JW who came up from the holocaust memorial to give a few words. He spoke for 1/2 hour and could have gone on. He related about her hospitality, her kindness, how well spoken of she was amongst the dubs he had interviewed about the war. etc.

    It was the nicest JW funeral I have ever been to. However not very many people could have got away with what Glenn Howe did!

    Frank75

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    .."We`re here not to eulogise"..Why else would you go to someones funeral???..Would you go,to listen to a "WBT$ 30 min Infomercial???".....WBT$ is like a bad 12 year old child..It needs,it`s "Ass Spanked!!"...OUTLAW

  • Madame Quixote
    Madame Quixote

    I am sorry to hear of the loss of your friend, W.Once. I hope you are able to do your own little memorial for him in private. That might help you feel better about it. I plan on probably not ever going to another JW funeral service for the very same reasons. The ones I've been to were just like the one you attended. So sorry for the waste of your time and for the sad losses!

  • RollerDave
    RollerDave

    WasA,

    My condolences on your loss.

    I lost my own father and had a similar experience back in '99.

    My father was a great guy,and everyone who met him liked him. He was born in 1930, served in the Army in the late forties/early fifties. He met my mother and got married; my brother came along in '51. another son in '53, a Daughter in '55, myself in '65, and then he got fed up with a number of things including my mother's being a witness and left.

    He can't be blamed for my little sister, it wasn't him.

    He was the kind who believed what he believed, but nothing too deeply except a smile and hospitality to guests.

    He could end any religious discussion by repeatedly asking where Cain got his wife.

    In his later years he lived with my older sister who really gave her all to care for him. None of us could have done better and I remain grateful for her sacrifice.

    That last weekend, when it was clear he was not long for this world, she reports that he began asking questions about God and what happens, she reports that he seemed to accept 'the truth' even though he was not baptized.

    It was his wish that a brother we knew give the talk at his memorial which was held at the cremation society.

    However, here is where my dissatisfaction begins to mount.

    There was the aforementioned dearth of comment on the dear departed, and in it's place was an offer of comfort and sympathy that would only be of use if you believe as they do, and if you desire to do so, any of the ushers along the perimeter of the room would be happy to provide you further information on how to begin a bible study...

    It was so blatant a sales pitch that I was visibly enraged. I can't blame my sister, she was following Dad's request, but in a non-witness venue for a non-witness decedent attended by mostly non-witness mourners, this brother who knew my father well could easily have included some anecdotes or respect for my father, instead he went for the recruitment pitch.

    That sonofabitch.

    It fell to my eldest brother and myself to pick up Dad's ashes from the cremation society and see to it they were put in the ground at the Fort Snelling National cemetary.

    To my knowledge I am the only one going to see him every year on memorial day. I would be delighted to find that this is not the case, but am not fooling myself.

    Now I find myself facing my mother's impending demise with great trepidation. She is a baptized witness is good standing, which means a memorial held within the belly of the beast, the Kingdom Hell itself.

    I will be, of course, beside myself with loss and at a vulnerable point.

    The Kingdom Hells in Mn have these assnine 'no guns on the premises' signs and I am a big carry permit guy. I usually have no problem locking it up to go into hospitals, clinics, or other places where the law requires me to abide their wishes and go defenseless, but to intentionally enter such a hostile threatening place without an 'acessory' discretely at my side is a daunting prospect indeed.

    I hold no hope that it will be even slightly tolerable, but I'm going for mom so I'll grit my teeth, hold my breath, and endure. It's what I do.

    I can only hope it is years before I have to run this gauntlet.

    It simply amazes me that I spent so many years immersed in the worldview of such wrong-minded people pretending that I was living the 'real life.'

    As Rush says, "There's a term for a bunch of useless people sitting around doing useless things, two words and the first word is 'circle'"

    So condolences on your loss, and commiseration on how your loss was further compounded by the witlesses

  • brinjen
    brinjen

    First of all, my condolenses on your loss

    Your experience sounds familiar, my mother's funeral was the same with her name barely even mentioned. I just remember sitting there thinking "well you never paid any attention to her when she was alive either".

    My grandmother's funeral was a different story, they read out her life story how she was a 'faithful witness to the very end'. Yeah faithful. This is the same woman who told her grand daughter she was a mental retard that never deserved to be born and bashed her while she was sleeping. Yeah that's a woman Jehovah can be proud of. Wonder if the money her non dub sons decided to donate to the KH had anything to do with it? It was the money left over from her bank account after funeral expenses.

    Once again, sorry for your loss.

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    W.Once, sorry to hear about your loss and the frustration, I wonder why call it a Memorial if you are not going to do just that.

    abr

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