Did Peter Predict the Emergence of the WT?

Perry

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

It seems like I remember a few months ago that AK-Jeff or maybe someone else alluded to an article from the last few years that definitelty stated that Christ did not die for the Great Crowd. Anyone know where this or similar quotes are?

carla

Sorry, did you look up Jeffs profile and posts?

Another one I tried to use once was the script where it says something about denying people getting married and the wt did that as well. It was an old quote about it being better to wait for the big A to get married. Sorry again, can't find my notes on that one. Obviously it didnt help much!

funkyderek

No, of course not. You have to get it out of your head, this idea that some piddling little magazine cult is prophesied in the bible. It's a common affliction among ex-JWs, continuing to think that the Watchtower Society is in some way significant or important.

StillGroggy

Amen Funkyderek. JW is small potatoes, especially when you consider that JW has 8 mill and scientology 10. JW is barely a blip on the radar.

Perry

Jude 1:4

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God...and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Apparently, the WT leadership does have an affiliation that stretches all the way back to the first century as they claim. I remember where I was standing when an elder told me just before baptism that the NT did not apply to me personally but only applied "by extension".

DannyHaszard

remember where I was standing when an elder told me just before baptism that the NT did not apply to me personally but only applied "by extension".

I was born in 1957 and can confirm hearing or reading this dogma countless times Ray Franz in COC or his "In search of Christian freedom" must have something

Narkissos

Both Jude and 2 Peter (as well as the Pastorals and many elements of Luke-Acts) clearly oppose contemporary Gnosticism from the standpoint of the emerging great (catholic) church. The WT is about as different as it gets from both sides of this (early 2nd century) conflict. Sure, everything current can be "traced back" to anything past, but calling that a "prediction" is unwarranted if not a figure of style. You would probably not even think of it weren't you an ex-JW.

dedpoet

Depending on whether you believe the bible or not, I guess Paul could
have been referring to the emergence of cults like the watchtower when
he wrote this, in 2Timothy 3

5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

Perry

Found this quote:

However, the Nov. 15, 1979, Watchtower emphasizes on pages 24-27
that Jesus Christ acts as a mediator only for a select few: those the
Watchtower regards as the 144,000 anointed Christians. Members of
this group, who also are referred to as "spiritual Israelites," are
those who, according to Witness teaching, will reign in the heavenly
kingdom. The April 1, 1979, Watchtower stresses on page 31 that in a
"strict Biblical sense Jesus is the `mediator' only for anointed
Christians."
As one would expect, the Society must twist God's Word to support
this doctrine. Two distinct examples of how the organization has
changed God's word are found in separate citations of 1 Timothy 2:5,6.
Watchtower writers said on page 26 of the Nov. 15, 1979, Watchtower:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man,
Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all [or, for
all kinds of people], margin - this is what is to be witnessed to at
its own particular time."

Again, in the same article, the passages is
cited and made to state, "There is one God, and one mediator between
God and men (not all men), a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a
corresponding ransom for all."

Perry

Anyone know of more recent quotes than 1979?

Did Peter Predict the Emergence of the WT?

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