by moomanchu 28 Replies latest watchtower bible
Adolfus wrote:"It's pretty sick that the WTS is now switching focus on the third world such as Africa with brochures llike this one."
Mad writes: What makes you think it's "3rd World". Have you seen how kids from High School talk and try to read nowadays?
Here is a great quote for this thread:
*** w87 11/1 p. 7 True Religion Dispels Fear—How? ***
Thousands around the globe [i.e. JWs] who once lived in fear and slavery to superstitious customs can now testify to that. The Devil fled from them! In what way? Remember, the enemy of superstitious fear is knowledge. Says Professor Rudolph Brasch, an expert on the origin of superstitions: "It’s a matter of education—that the more educated people get, the less superstitious they get."
They get a lot of mileage out of lintina van geenan
thats a tough topic for me! ive spoken to so many ppl who *swear* to *know* that there *ARE* evil spirits.
ppl who've seen them. whole familys who have been punished by spirits. you can find myths and religions on evil spirits all over the world. artists who say spirits talk to them and help them to write their songs.
*all* lies? everything made up? how can something completely made up spawn so many "evidences"?
i would love to believe that there are NO evil spirits. but its hard for me. sure, i never seen anything explicit supernatural, but if satan and the demons have two strategies? hiding their existence to intellectual ppl and show their existence to spiritual ppl?
would be smart. would explain many things.
if there is NO spirtual world im fine with living my life and dont bother with religion anymore.
but if THERE ARE evil spirits, i feel like doing something. and i tend to live a life as a JW instead of searching another religion.
tough, thats tough, tough!
>>*all* lies? everything made up? how can something completely made up spawn so many "evidences"?
Not all things are either lies or truth. If you believe you have evidence for something and state it as truth, that doesn't make it truth. But it doesn't make you a liar, either.
People aren't difficult to trick. Magicians make their living doing it. And they can even trick themselves. Anyone can see a ghost if they are willing to believe that any vague thing might have been one.
But consider this: If CNN or any other mainstream news outlet could show actual evidence of a person having been harmed by an evil spirit, don't you think they'd jump on it? It would be the story of the century. But you never hear about it. Because any story someone tells about harm caused by evil spirits also has a rational, non-evil-spirit explanation.
No, the people telling you about their evil spirit experiences aren't lying. They are interpreting events they witnessed. If you had the same experience, you might interpret it differently. As would I.
Dave
Moonanchu,you bring up a very interesting point.Just look at the Revelation book that the brainwashed JW's are studying.In that bible based publication by the FDS/GB,they mention that some of those 144,000 that died and are in heaven today are in fact communicating truth to the FDS/GB.
Bob
Hey, any chance of a scan?
Of what part of the brochure?? The pictures are kind of funny.
You know that it is not uncommon for a bad person to be friendly to those he wants to deceive and cheat. "White teeth, black heart," says the African proverb. And God’s Word says: "Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light."—2 Corinthians 11:14.
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Satan said Eve would not die. Eve believed him, but eventually she died."
You to can live forever in paradise on earth
Not all things are either lies or truth. If you believe you have evidence for something and state it as truth, that doesn't make it truth. But it doesn't make you a liar, either. People aren't difficult to trick. Magicians make their living doing it. And they can even trick themselves. Anyone can see a ghost if they are willing to believe that any vague thing might have been one. But consider this: If CNN or any other mainstream news outlet could show actual evidence of a person having been harmed by an evil spirit, don't you think they'd jump on it? It would be the story of the century. But you never hear about it. Because any story someone tells about harm caused by evil spirits also has a rational, non-evil-spirit explanation. No, the people telling you about their evil spirit experiences aren't lying. They are interpreting events they witnessed. If you had the same experience, you might interpret it differently. As would I. Dave
i basically think about it like you do. but ive that remaining little doubt. and recently a somehow trusty person told me again of an evil spirit which haunted his parents house when they werent JW. i just wonder how four people can misinterpret regulary opened doors when they come home everytime, pushes from nowhere and steps in behind doors and when you open the door noones there.
i just cant explain that with my logic. the only explanation i can think of that this person lies to me. especially the opened doors in the whole house - what can you misinterpret there? whats a possible rational explanation? its the second time i hear from trusty people a demon-story about opened doors. both with many witnesses to see it. one time as said four familymembers and one time three elders and a woman.
lies?!
it makes me sick.
>>Its the second time i hear from trusty people a demon-story about opened doors.
There are stories like that, tons of them. Like you, I find it hard to believe that these people are all lying, fooling themselves, or having pranks pulled on them.
I wonder though, why people are so quick to assume they know what it is? Why does "unexplained open door" mean "evil spirit", or a spirit at all? I know it doesn't help answer the question to ask MORE questions, but it seems curious to me that whenever someone sees a glowing thing that is human shaped, they call it a ghost. And whenever books fly off the wall, they assume it's an evil spirit.
Germs and viruses cause horrific effects, but they don't KNOW they do it. They aren't "evil" in any conscious sense. And until only recently in human existence, we lacked the technology to know they were there. Why doesn't anyone wonder if these effects are also non-intelligent effects of some low-level creature? Or perhaps not a creature at all?
I think I tend to give less credence to these types of stories exactly because the people telling them "have seen a ghost", when in fact they have no idea what they've seen. They don't know what it is, and they've labeled it "ghost".
Dave
I have the original draft to this brochure:
If you read the Bible from cover to cover, you will never find the phrase "immortal soul."
You'll also never find the phrase "new light", "Theocratic Ministry School", "Field Service Report" or "1914". The Governing Body has no human soulis not a spirit. The teaching ofthe Governing Bodyimmortal soul isare generally notBible teachings. Jehovah hates all religious lies,especially the one where they tell you to let your kid die rather than take a blood transfusion.—Proverbs 6:16-19; 1 Timothy 4:1, 2.( Jehovah loves new light though)Just as a spiderweb holds fast a fly, millions of people are held fast by superstition
(like getting an education)and falsehood(like the Generation of 1914 doctrine).They feardyingthe dead. They fear the demonsthat call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. They worry aboutretirement, paying bills, belonging to the right clique, and dying at the Big Acurses, omens, charms, and fetishes. They are bound by beliefs and traditions based on the lies of Satan the Devil. God’s servants are ensnared by none of these things.( umm yeah whatever)Today,
the Governing BodySatan and the demons are as murderous as ever.Just look at what happened to the sextuplets out in B.C. In fact, their evil activity has increased since they wereexposed on Dateline, 20/20 and the internetthrown out of heaven. Reports from around the world testify to their cruelty. They plague some people withmentalillness. Others they harass at night,phoning them to see if they've turned 'apostate' or are looking at pornia on the internetdepriving them of sleep or giving them terrible dreams. Others theyallow toabusechildrensexually. Still others they drive to insanity, murder, or suicide. Danny Haszzard , who lives in Maine, relates thatthe WTSa demon, spiritually killed members of his family and tormented him mentally for years. From firsthand experience he states that theWTSdemons "enjoy torturing their unwilling victims until death."
