JERRY FALWELL DEAD (page 5)

Jringe01

Quote: It will be interesting to see how Jerry Falwell blames the ACLU for this.

asleif_dufansdottir

He was a danger to this country and did a tremendous amount of damage. I didn't wish for his death but apparently that's what it took to *shut him the #### up*.

I'm not sorry he's dead. (that's pretty nasty for me)

avidbiblereader

I wish no man or woman harm or wrong, sorry for his family even though I never met him or knew of his beliefs

abr

Tatiana just answered what I was going to ask---wasn't he the one who started all that mess about the Teletubbies? I didn't pay any attention to the famous preachers" when I was a JW.....and don't pay much attention to TV preachers now either. I catch one or two every now and again....ones that aren't "over the top" or stand out as too weird or heavily preachy.

As with all people of his position as "preacher"....he probably stood for what he thought was "right" and will face his mistakes on the other side as we all will eventually do.

Rabbit

I never wished for this man's death nor have I wished for any one's demise.

BUT, I think we have all known of people whose lives and actions represent the very worst that mankind has to offer. I am very sure that when political leaders like Stalin, Hitler and Saddam died...they had families or loved ones that actually shed tears.

But, I'll bet the victims and survivors shed no tears. I'm sure they felt relief and maybe even a kind of joy or happiness that 'the bad guy' IS dead and gone.

So tell me, please...? IS THAT WRONG ?

Take another example...this time religious leaders like the radical Islamic clerics that preach hate and violence. Most people will be glad [happy] when they are dead and gone. How many of us here shed tears over the horrible deaths of the followers of Jim Jones ? I know I did. How many of you were brought to tears over ...Jim Jones' death ?

Recently, a Governing Body member died. Many people here, having been victims of the almighty, 'you-have-no-right-to-question-the-voices-in-our-heads-that say-they-are-from-god' voiced their varied opinions.

My opinion was, "Good Riddance !" I related that my JW Mom died over the belief that this man promoted and it was tantamount to murder, in my eyes. This man is guilty of either lying or being crazy. Either way...this man held and promoted sincere beliefs just like all the others I used in my examples above...and these sincere beliefs have caused the deaths and miseries of untold billions of people over the course of human history.

For the sake of the health & welfare of normal humans...some people need to die and the sooner the better.

If you think that's 'not nice', you're right. It wasn't 'nice' to hold my Mom's hand while she took her very last breath either...because, of a murderous religious belief that said, she "...could not take a blood transfusion."

She died a useless, preventable death and I cry for her...the misled, but, never for the leaders !

Ya' wanna tell me I'm wrong...?

Rabbit

Junction-Guy

Jerry Falwell may have made some silly comments in the past, such as the teletubby thing, or some heavily citicized comment such as his 9/11 remark, but what has he done that has caused real pain,death, and suffering?

Sunspot

Jerry Falwell may have made some silly comments in the past, such as the teletubby thing, or some heavily citicized comment such as his 9/11 remark, but what has he done that has caused real pain,death, and suffering?

I had kind of the same thought in my head when I commented earlier, but just couldn't pull it together to put it in the right way so I dropped the idea......but I DO agree with this! Entire families weren't purposely ripped apart by anything he preached amd AFAIK, he didn't insist that whatever HE taught or believed, was spoken from THE ONLY religion that God chose in 1919.

asleif_dufansdottir

Rabbit - damn straight.

Sunspot, I'm afraid this time I'm going to have to disagree with you (hard as that is because I have a huge soft spot for your adorable avatar). Intolerance is really, truly dangerous. Those who spread it are (to use a phrase more common to JWs) bloodguilty.

He did *real* damage. He preached and encouraged hate. People suffered (physically, psychologically, emotionally) and even bled and died because of him. He made life harder for good people and much easier for a lot of bad ones. All with concieted self-righteousness.

He bled good, sincere people out of money they desperately needed because they trusted a 'minister of God.'

He encouraged his followers and even more mainstream Christians to hate and fear those whose sexuality and religion and opinions were different. He made them believe that those who were different were to be hated and feared because they were dangerous. I'm convinced that he and his ilk shared responsibility for deaths like that of Matthew Shepherd (sp? The young gay man beaten and left to die in Wyoming because he was gay), because they encouraged the killers to feel justified in their murderous hatred and intolerance.

He encouraged his followers and those who weren't necessarily his followers but considered themselves Christians and respected him as a minister to vote their fears. His organization is *directly* responsible for the fundamentalist takeover of the Republican party (it as planned and orchestrated and cynically political, to gain $$$ and political power) and for royally ****ing up our political system wayyy more than it already is. I vividly remember the political efforts in the 80's to put the lunatic fringe of fundamentalism in the driver's seat of both the voice of Christianity and the leaders of this country.

And the deaths of every good, wellmeaning person who joined the military and ended up killed, injured, etc, because of people like Falwell saying that "God is on our side" and "fighting for the US is fighting for God" or any of the rest of this 'never question our country, we're in the right and anything we do is justified' flagwaving crap, or anyone who was afraid to speak up in dissent because of this "if you dissent you're a traitor" crap...that should be heaped on his grave too. (for the record, it is "my country right or wrong" NOT "my country is never wrong")

I find it hard to believe that anyone who is a member of a religious minority, a gay person, a feminist, or anyone else on Falwell's "hit list" wouldn't agree that he was truly dangerous.

Junction-Guy

Sorry I dont believe he was dangerous. Matthew Sheppard was murdered by people that probably never even heard of Jerry Falwell. Some of the most anti-gay people I have ever known in my life arent christians, they are agnostic--my stepfather and my stepgrandpa, Amanda can attest to this.

Jerry Falwell preached what he believed, and I doubt that he ever encouraged violence against gay people.

Jerry Falwell was a Baptist, and Baptists are a diverse lot, they dont follow their leaders to a "T".

I dont know of any Baptist that says "Well Jerry Falwell say this, so we must do it"

What Jerry Falwell believed and taught is no different than 1000's of other churches in this country.

junctions-wife

that is one thing Dave and I always agreed on about his step-father and step-grandpa. Okay after said that. I have meet a couple of people who Jerry Falwell taught and preached with. And they would hit home and one of them was from Iraq. But everyone has an opinion.

amanda

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