by frankiespeakin 119 Replies latest jw friends
Heil, Bush.
Yes he should if it happened. What you may not know, he has allready been tried and found guilty in Japan
After a two year investigation, the tribunal has found President Bush guilty of war crimes resultant to US attacks against Afghanistan in 2001. (See the entire 74-page document presented at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5855.htm)
Oh Frank, here we go again, with your misinterpretations. For the last 60 years the States has aquired these weapons as a deterent to agression. A bluffing game if you will. They did not use them, in Veitman, South Korea or North Korea, Libya, Afghanistan or anywhere else you can think of. They are a last resort option for the states. Whereas lawless dictatorships think of them as a means to an end.
Indeed no one wants a nuclear war but at what point when push comes to shove do you say enough. Apparently when a regime has lost control and threatens world safety as in the case of Japan.
Do you think that we should wait until they have full nuclear capability so they can strike first? I don't beleive that it would start a nuclear war. When the bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it ended the war. The Russians got the technology and so did the Chinese and so did Pakistan and . It instead created a cold war. Even these backwards countries did not use it. I beleive the collective intelligence of the planet knows on some level what the results would be.
Economic incentive packages, negotiations, sanctions nothing works for countries like Iran and North Korea. They are a threat to the civilzed world. As a last resort for the sake of humanity it might end up on the table not as a matter of wanton destruction but as a means to end suffereing for the greater good of mankind. The States has proven that they are responsible Nuclear stewards. These other countries havn't. If they strike first. I beleive it will be the end of civilization.
Then one day Frank, archaeologists will dig up our conversation off our damaged hardrives, and ask why was Frankie speakin all this nonsense against his civilization and giving lawless countries the advantage towards world destruction. Tyrone was right, we must archive his comments for future world peace.
I obviously understand the fear of the Japanese as they were the recipeints of the A bomb twice. They did however assist in the international effort in Iraq for a few years. They would not do so if they really thought of Bush as a criminal.
This is the Japanese creating a mock trial, for there expression of distaste for what could possibly happen if things went too far in the case of Bush. I think this fear exist because Bush is incapable of inspiring or clearly comminicatoing his thoughts. There is not one country in the world that is not guilty of some crimes against there fellow man.
If the Japanese wish to seek a deterent they should assist once again in helping the states to create stability in the worlds hot spots.
When North Korea, detonated their nuke, the Japanese response was to invest in more missiles and work in partnership with the States on a misslile defense program. Civilized countries like to think of themselves as peaceniks but if they get pushed far enough, will they not act the same way in defense of their civilization? The Usa gets all the flack because they're the biggest country. They therefore require the biggest deterents.
Tyrone, I understand the points your making. It's just next to impossible to support Bush, He lies and is decietful. Bin Laden is accused of attacking the trade towers in New York, all available info said he was in Afghanistan, Bush invades Iraq. Still no Bin Laden.
These politician are slick, they know and its been written that the country needs an issue to rally around. Bush was out vacationing and playing golf, riding his mountain bike and not paying attention to running this country.
He didnt take the pass down information from Clinton to heart and the next thing you know we got wackos flying into skyscrapers in New York.
So Chaney and Rove told numbnuts give the people a war to rally around so he invades Iraq and puts the Untied states on the edge of bankruptsy.
If he had a pea rattling around in his head he would have gone after Korea or Iraq who were openly defiant. Sadam said he didnt have any weapons and the UN inspectors agreed.
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Clinton wanted to get Bin laden and the republican congress would not allow it.
Being the self righteous bible thumping hypocritical republicans they are they focused on a man getting a hum job rather than going after the nations number 1 criminal, Bin Ladin.
Then we get a republican president and republican congress and they are out playing golf allowing the United states to be attacked.
I have no faith in a person who was not elected by the american people, who did not win the popular or electoral vote and was appointed by the supreme court as a favor to daddy.
I agree Jaguar. The man at the heart of the matter, has created a great loss of faith in government with lies, misdirection and ineffective communication.
I still beleive however that it is not he that makes the final decisions. I beleive that lies were created to give a reason for regime change because it was recognized at the white house that the problem is far bigger than Bin Ladin and it was time to get an unwilling publics hands dirty.
Had he told the truth and communicated honestly, would he have gotten the publics support. Maybe, but he is incapable of making a good case for a bloody visit to the washroom.
The facts remain, and although he is not what most people desire for a president, I still beleive he has done the right thing in being progressive towards providing an answer to radical Islam and world peace.
Can't say, really. Who does Bush work for? Who is making a profit from war? Do Iranian children deserve to be caught in the crossfire, as it were, because western corporations covet Iran's natural resources? Does anyone care about anything but money and property anymore?
When confronted with these issues, my mind just goes numb. I'm tired of the politics that feed off of hatred and ignorance. No one likes what's going on, but no one really knows how to stop it.
A great crime against humanity has been/is being committed by countries, including the United States, that use Depleted Uranium in conventional munitions. It is an environmental and humanitarian disaster almost worse than all out nuclear war; at least an all out nuclear war would cause a global uproar probably unlike any other in modern history. Meanwhile D. U. goes largely unnoticed because it is the stuff of conventional warfare, though the "fallout" is still a harmful radioactive substance that accumulates in the human body. Is this the kind of world our children and grandchildren get to inherit?
Dave
frankie has embraced a viewpoint and one of these days, if he gets around to it, might even look into its credibility and logic. Meanwhile, "Bush is a war criminal!" Give me a break.
Well Dave, my opinion is that no one profits from it. It costs everyone, in lives resources and money but it seems at times inevitable . If therfore it is to happen, it is in everyones best interests to end it as swiftly as possible. I don't honestly beleive that Bush is in this for money. It is an extremely unpopular and costly war. The issue is the spread of radical Islam. Everyone will prosper icluding Iran from profits if stability is brought to these regions. Do children deserve to die. Absolutly not! Since when has war ever been fair or clinical in it's precision. Since when has war ever been enviornment freindly. It wasn't the States who flew a plane into some Middle Eastern tower or minurat. Having no response is not a response and wishing the world was not in this mess is not a response either.
Are we forgetting that ol saddam gassed 180,000 Kurds and started a war with Iran that took over a million lives. Then he tried invading Kuwait. Radical nut bars like this are a danger not just to their own countries but the free market economy. It's not like we steel their oil from them. They get payed for it and then keep it for their own personal wealth while their own countries suffer. We must remember this is not good for a global world. We must stop vigourously blaming ourselves and deal with tyrants whose only objective is to create mayhem and aspire to world domination.
War is ugly and is a crime anyway you look at it, but the lesser evil must triumph over the greater evils
started a war with Iran that took over a million lives.
A war that the US supported.
The States will never get a fair shake in anything. They get crapped on if they do get involved, and crapped on if they don't. When you have two of your enemies fighting each other, then both evil systems are weakened. Do you not think Iran and Iraq both have the oil wealth to financially support themselves in fighting. The Iranians are still moving ahead with nuclear arms production despite worldwide sanctions. These people would behave this way even if you begged them not to. The Sunnis and shias are killing each other en masse and the states is trying to stop it. Meanwhile the Iranians are medddling by sending there own fighters over. They states are still getting shit on for trying to stop it. It is in their culture from birth as sworn enemies. If Iran had any sense they would try to assist the states in helping out the Iraqis so that they can have there wish come true for the states to leave.
