Changes...............

by why??? 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Vernon Williams

  5go,

  It is heading for that:everyone partaking. The distinction to what we might call "spiritual advantage" of the "annointed" over the "domestics" was removed by that issue of the WT the first of May, this year. Also, what I just mentioned better fits the "they will become one flock, one shepard" idea of Jesus parable.

  I do not think it would cause people to leave: a few, yes, however, long term, it would be more stabalizing. I was shocked when I read that May issue Questions from the Readers here on this sight. It was the biggest doctrinal shift of the Witnessess since Rutherford came out with the two class system. I was not expecting them to approach it from this angle: however, they had to dis-entangle from the '35 date. (Interestly, this was one of the points I brought up to the Elders here at Monett in Dec, "02: the math did not fit 35.....)

  Right now, the Society is morphing. Into what I do not knwow.

  I do know this: it will not be smarter or better. Same hash....different skillet.

  Yours in this Journey,

  V
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  garybuss

  Hi Vernon,
  
  I have enjoyed reading your posts, thanks for being here.
  
  Interesting ideas. You might be right. With the Watch Tower Corporation, religion is a backyard game and their religious ideas have been like a sand castle at the beach. It looks good today and gone tomorrow.
  
  The Society already takes a sort of cafeteria approach to salvation. Now you can go live with Jesus in the clouds or stay on the earth and pick fruit and pet lions. It's good salesmanship except that both groups are treated with equal disrespect by the leaders they revere. That disrespect is bad salesmanship. When your only products are claims and ideas, they'd better be good ideas or you won't be making very frequent trips to the bank.
  
  Currently the Society distinguishes between the anointed and memorial partakers. That fact is lost on many but it's easy to see. It's another one of those things they hid in plain site. I've long said that the best place to hide something from a Jehovah's Witness is in the Watchtower magazine.
  
  Once the Society gets people to buy the concept that they have the authority of God, anything goes. That's becoming a MUCH harder sell lately as we see from the repetition of the teaching of the appointment claim. I'd guess to say that the average Witness actually believes something less than 50% of Watch Tower Society claims. Here, Jehovah's Witnesses is more of a social club than a end-timers religion.
  
  We know the Society has historically been 100% wrong 100% of the time. We also know that in spite of this they have kept the conceptual train on the tracks and they have amassed a fortune in tangible assets as well as attracted almost 7 million followers. It's like they sold error as "the truth" and they turned "wrong" into an industry.
  
  Unfortunately for them, they have kept the Knorr model of unity by enforcement and threats. That model eliminates many people. End time, high control cults only appeal to a certain type of person on a good day.
  
  
  
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  5go

  5go,

  It is heading for that:everyone partaking. The distinction to what we might call "spiritual advantage" of the "annointed" over the "domestics" was removed by that issue of the WT the first of May, this year. Also, what I just mentioned better fits the "they will become one flock, one shepard" idea of Jesus parable.

  I do not think it would cause people to leave: a few, yes, however, long term, it would be more stabalizing. I was shocked when I read that May issue Questions from the Readers here on this sight. It was the biggest doctrinal shift of the Witnessess since Rutherford came out with the two class system. I was not expecting them to approach it from this angle: however, they had to dis-entangle from the '35 date. (Interestly, this was one of the points I brought up to the Elders here at Monett in Dec, "02: the math did not fit 35.....)

  Right now, the Society is morphing. Into what I do not knwow.

  I do know this: it will not be smarter or better. Same hash....different skillet.

  Yours in this Journey,

  V

  So are you saying they are ditching the earthly hope because it is untenable. Like I said sucking sound as the people get it and go back to the churches they left or to the mormons to get a better spot in heaven or atleast some respect.
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  5go

  By the way could you post it I would have trouble getting one with out tipping off the feds.
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  5go

  Nevermind I found it

  However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special "insights," beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation."
  (Watchtower, May 1, 2007 p. 31)
  
  JW's, if the anointed class does not have special insight beyond what some experienced members of the great crowd have then how do you explain this statement?
  
  "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave."
  (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994 p. 8)

  To me it sounds like bracing for the silent-lambs fall out. Or, they have been having problem with the wackos are using the the I am a member of the 144,000 and a prophet here to tell that we ( the ORG ) need to repent of our sins lest we fall in to the same judgement as Babylon the Great (Harlot).
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  fullofdoubtnow

  Trev and I think that they will use the doctrinal change in the May 1st QFR to buy themselves more time.

  We are expecting a watchtower study article later this year, maybe a month or two before the annual service report is published, which will refer to the QFR article on the gathering of the anointed. They could say something like "when will all the anointed be gathered? We do not know, but be assured that jehovah will act swiftly once this gathering is complete. We can be confident that once the 144,000 have all been sealed, armageddon will soon follow"

  An article on those lines would quite probably reassure the rank and file, and give the org an excuse for armageddon and the new system being further delayed, as well as preventing too many awkward questions if the number of partakers at the memorial continues to increase.
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  Vernon Williams

  5,

  No, they will NOT ditch the eathly hope: they will, simply, bring ALL JWs within the New Covenant. Since ALL the tribes of Israel were under the Mosaic Covenant, so ALL the tribes in Revalation will be under the New Covenant. And, as one group, the Levites had a special privlege, so will the 144,00.

  So, as all partook of Passover, so all will partake of the Lord's Meal.

  This will bring all within equel footing, now. It will apply all the NT to everyone, except a few specific passages.

  It will solve a lot of problems. Few will be lost. Most, the majority, will rejoice.

  The '35 deal was just an odd angle into this whole deal. It is comming....

  V
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  5go

  An article on those lines would quite probably reassure the rank and file, and give the org an excuse for armageddon and the new system being further delayed, as well as preventing too many awkward questions if the number of partakers at the memorial continues to increase.

  I bet this is linked to the swelling spainish numbers in the usa.
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  betterdaze

  I don't know of any specific changes but I'm very curious as to how they'll address the Sunday meetings in view of apostates, unbaptized or
  worldlies attending the Koolaid version Watchtower study.
  
  When I called Bethel a way back...
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/129593/2297707/post.ashx#2297707
  
  ...it was clear that the "Public Talk" was indeed open to the public, but the "Congregation Watchtower Study" was for JWs and regular attenders.
  
  Will they demand unbaptized people vacate the hall so they can bolt the doors start the secret study? What about "interested ones" who are not
  yet "unbaptized publishers"? What about the disfellowshipped who are now announced "no longer a Jehovah's Witness"? What about inactive ones?
  
  Who decides and enforces "regular attendance"?
  
  I envision it like the Soup Nazi episode on Seinfeld where people will have to grovel at the literature counter for the *speshul* edition...
  
  Not enough hours? NO magazine for YOU!
  
  ~Sue