MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw 589 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  hawkaw

  Trib,

  We are not at an impass. We are just starting to go with the press in Canada.

  You have been Emailed with my name thru Wendy.

  hawk
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  hawkaw

  One other thing Trib,

  In your press releases - go after the UN too ....

  hawk
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  mommy

  BTTT
  Madapostate...WOWSERS, that is some impressive information. Thank you for researching and posting this for all to see.

  As of now we have a few places on the net that contains gathered information on this issue. Kent's . http://watchtower.observer.org Randy's . http://www.freeminds.org. Here at Jw.com and over at H2O. If there is another I am sorry I didn't list and anyone who knows of one please add.

  Wannahelp has come up with the idea of a website dedicated solely to this issue. He asked me to help with this and I have agreed. He obtained a few website, and I will post their links later. The gathering of information will be done from the posts by many of you posters (thank you! thank you! thank you!), and information from the UN site. This gathering of information is huge. And now that Madapostate has found other links to govermental involvement, we should add this as well.

  If there is anyone out there who is willing to help with this gathering work, please email myself or Wannahelp. The sooner we open it for business the better.
  wendy

  Edited to make links work. Also anyone who would be willing to send condensed forms of their research to me would be great! I have pretty much gone through and extracted the info from the threads. But, any correspondence with UN or WTBTS or even R&F JW's can and will be used against them My email will only allow a certain amount of info in, but if you do email me I can give you my private email, where there will be no trouble getting the information. Again Thank you! Thnak you! Thank you!
  wendy

  Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins
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  hawkaw

  FLAG!!!!
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  MadApostate

  Wendy and others:

  Thanks for the "pats-on-the-back". However, I would encourage everyone to keep in context the various "incidents of WTS porneia" which I have posted.

  Back on pages 8 and 9, Maximus hypothesized that the WTS's UNDPI "associative status" was the moronic result of Barry and Ciro merely seeking a "UN Library Card", without Barry/Ciro understanding, or possibly caring, about the implications/propriety of formally attaching the WTS to the UN. I countered with a rejection of this hypothesis. To accept such, one must ignore all the evidence that I have posted, which points to the conclusion that the WTS has had a calculated and deliberate global scheme to befriend and use any worldly organization which can assist the WTS to accomplish their corporate goals, be they governmental organizations or ngos.

  To accept Max's hypothesis is to hand the WTS the excuse that formally attaching themself to the UN was nothing except a "mental lapse" on the part of imperfect humans with honest intentions, with the deceased Barry taking 99.9% of the blame.

  NO!!!

  The evidence which has been posted indicates that the UNDPI affiliation was the MOST DIRECT AND INCRIMINATING ACT OF FORNICATION, but it was not the first WTS act of porneia, nor was it the last.

  Even prior to the application for UNDPI affiliation in 1991, the European JWs had established an unaffiliated NGO called AIDAFRIQUE, whose webpages are found on the French JW website. Those webpages brag about working with UNHCR in Africa multiple times during the 1990s. Other webpages indicate aid assistance in Vietnam. Who really knows how much "goodwill" and "PR" the WTS reaped from such in Europe, Africa, and even Vietnam?

  Then there is all the other "stuff" which I posted over the weekend, which shows the WTS has had an ongoing effort of befriending and participating with third-party governmental and nongovernmental organizations, who are being used to intercede with Nations who are giving the WTS problems.

  The UNDPI incident, was nothing less than catching the WHORETOWER participating in a 10 year long sexual affair with the Scarlet-colored Beast.

  However, all these other incidents are evidence of "varying acts of porneia" with UN Departments, the Kings who support the Beast, and other orgs which support the whole system.

  As I have asked before: Where is the Greek Scriptures precedent for such interactions with those organizations which oppose the Messianic Kingdom?

  Paul's "appealing to Caesar", as well as all his appearances before Festus, Felix, and other "superior authorities" were all done in the context of "judicial proceedings" while Paul was under arrest.

  When did Jesus, Stephen, or others appear before the "superior authorities" to ask for their help? When did they ever appear before "superior authorities" outside the situation of their being under arrest?

  Remember, a "harlot" doesn't marry her cohorts; she doesn't become a "family member". She "associates/affiliates" with them as a "partner" in reoccurring exchanges that are mutually beneficial.

  The WTS didn't become a UN Member, because only Governments are allowed to marry. So, the WTS did the next best thing; it formally affiliated itself to the UN. The mutually beneficial relationship consisted of the WTS providing positive PR for the UN in a worldwide educational magazine (AWAKE, which is the journal most often distributed to nonJWs), while the UN lended its prestige and status to the WTS's various efforts.

  We should also remember that practically all the evidence found thus far is attributable to the internet, which mainly contains info from the past 6 or 7 years. Who knows how much more evidence exists, but is unavailable. Its like killing cockroaches. For everyone you see and kill, there are probably dozens more.

  Let's keep looking!!!
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  hawkaw

  WHORETOWER

  To funny.

  I agree there is just way too much evidence to say just a couple of writers and a Governing Body members are going off on their own.

  But you are so bang on with this. I just hope people take the time and absorb what you have posted.

  I still can't believe they quit being "associated" though. From a straight "optics" point of view it really hurts them badly.

  hawk
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  hawkaw

  MAJOR NEWS - Jehavah Witnesses in London espond to Steve Bates.

  I have sent the orginal letter to Kent and Randy to post at their web sites.

  JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
  OFFICE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION

  October 22, 2001
  Letters Editor
  The Guardian
  e-mail: [email protected]

  Dear Sir,

  Stephen Bates' articles in The Guardian of October 8 and 15 substantially misrepresents the background to Jehovah’s Witnesses registration with the United Nations and contains a number of factual errors.

  In 1991 one of our legal corporations registered with the United Nations as a NGO (non-governmental organization) for the sole purpose of getting access to the extensive library of the United Nations. This enabled a writer who received an identification card, to enter their library for research purposes and to obtain information that has been used in writing articles in our journals about the United Nations. There was nothing secret about it.
  At the time of the initial application no signature was required on the form. Years later, unbe-known to the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the United Nations published “Criteria for As-sociation”, stipulating that affiliated NGO’s are required to support the goals of the United Nations.
  After learning of the situation, our membership as NGO was withdrawn and the ID card of the writer was returned.

  Sincerely,

  Paul Gillies
  Press Officer for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Britain

  P.S. Please do not publish my e-mail address.

  Watch Tower Society, The Ridgeway, London NW7 1RN
  Contact: Paul Gillies, telephone 020 8906 2211;
  Fax: 020 8371 0051

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  hawkaw

  Here is Steve Bates Email Response back .... to Gillies

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  ...And this is how I've responded to Mr Gillies....

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  Subject: from Stephen Bates, the Guardian

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  Dear Mr Gillies,

  I have just been shown your letter, submitted for publication two weeks after my initial article appeared in the Guardian.

  I would be very grateful if you would allow me to circulate it to the
  thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who have contacted me since the articles appeared because, if there was nothing secret about your association with the Scarlet-Coloured Beast, I am surprised that so many followers did not know of it, given the WTBTS's frequent condemnation of the UN in its publications.
  
  This may account for the witnesses' feelings of betrayal and sense of
  hypocrisy over the whole affair. If it was not secret and was only done to obtain a library ticket,. why did you not tell me when I spoke to you several days before the article appeared? Surely you would have known it or could have found out very easily - most press officers are able to do so.

  And why did the WTBTS decide to disaffiliate only two days after the article appeared, when the WTBTS "learned about a situation" which was anyway not secret? Any organisation which affiliates to another surely must know that it has to ascribe to its basic principles, so to pretend that acceptance of the UN charter's aims has been suddenly sprung on you is being disengenuous at best.

  As far as I can tell from your letter there are no factual inaccuracies in my reports for you have not pointed to any that you did not have the opportunity to explain to me when we spoke. I don't think the letter will be published. But then what would I know - I'm only bird seed in your demonology!

  Best wishes,

  Stephen Bates
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  detective

  Hawk,
  Doesn't this directly conflict with what you were told by the UN? Weren't there two signatures, including writing staff and gov. body, on the original app? Isn't the London Bethel response contrary to facts that show that:
  a) the fundamental principles of the criterion for NGO affiliation have remained essentially the same
  b) the watchtower did have yearly contact with the UN in the form of reports

  I need a bit of clarification on this issue and will keep tuned in but I have to say this is weak response to the charge. Aren't most of Gillies claims easily disproveable?

  Hawk, will you be sending this little tidbit to the UN?
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  Prisca

  I love Steven Bates' reply to the "Whoretower Society" (love that name lol). Good for him! The guys there don't realise Mr Bates doesn't have to "wait on Jehovah" to get the answers!!