by restrangled 19 Replies latest jw friends
The problem is in the street or outside the front door. Everything is up for grabs....I don't get it. I make them sit before we go out, they are on choke chains and body harnesses. But once out that door they are beyond what I know and their whole world changes.
Sorry, this shows that you are not the alpha. I don't care how well behaved they are at home.
You really, really should not be walking them together, I don't care how well behaved they are at home.
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Thats terrible. I understand how you feel. I have 4 cocker spaniels and 2 fight from time to time. The last fight one got his eye tore pretty bad. But he healed. We watch them and try to seperate them when they start acting up.
I really dont know what to say about your situation. I hear if you spray hair spray on them that may stop them from fighting. If you decide to keep them both you might want to get some mace or pepper spray to spray at them if they ever start fighting.
My little cockers have bit me pretty bad when I tried to seperate them when they were fighting. Most people probably would have gone to the hospital and gotten stiches.
Watch or contact the dog whisperer.
Dont walk them together any more. If the cops in florida would have come, they would have loved to shoot one.
The above website has lots of good information.
Dogs that are not walked alot, get excited about going for a walk. This is a HUGE outing for them. Dobies are high energy dogs, and need to go for walks (for their brain & their body). Being cooped up in the same surroundings is not good. Sometimes when dogs get VERY excited, they forget their brains and act on basic instinct. It could be that he was "GEE, I'M going for a WALK!!!!" in his head, and then lost all control. By not taking him for a walk, you could be compounding the problem for him. I agree that you need a choke chain, and you need to be trained on how to use it. A short, quick jerk is how it is used. A long, slow letting them "strangle" themselves is not how to use it. He needs to learn that you are the lead.
Dobbies are VERY smart dogs. They are used in police work, which requires brains & muscles. They need constant stimulations - different walks, different routines, different tricks. A dobbie mind is a terrible thing to waste. If the dog is bored, then anything & everything will become exciting. When dobbies are in an excited state, they may attack. So, while today it's a long awaited walk....tomorrow it could be that the neighbor's kid is running around or visitors dropped by.
Fixing a male dog, lowers its instinct to be protective and to bite. I am surprised that the nuetered male bit! You may have a really big problem.
I do not know what state you live in, but a vicious dog can leave the owner open to lawsuits should it attack a person or another animal. If it harms a child or a person, God forbid, they could sue your pants off & take away your house, your bank account, and garnish your wages for several years into the future. How much house liability insurance do you have? Some insurance companies are not covering these "known" bad breeds of dogs, namely Pits, Dobermans, and Akitas. Second, the house liability insurance will likely not cover the dog if the dog attacks while not on your property. Do you have a personal umbrella policy? Does it cover Dobermans. A dead kid is worth several million dollars in court, and a maimed one is worth much, much more (future medical bills, lost wages, pain & suffering, loss of companionship, etc $, etc $, etc $).
In short, get this dog some o-b-e-d-i-e-n-c-e lessons with a qualified dog trainer. He will tell you if he thinks the dog can become an honest citizen or a liability/loaded gun. Together, you, the dog trainer, and the dobie may be able to learn how to go for a proper walk. Dobermans are bred to be protectors. When a daschund digs a hole, everyone says, "Daschunds dig, that's normal." When a doberman is agressive, it's the doberman's nature. Dogs whose ears stand up are, generally, more agressive. It's a proven, hormone driven behaviour. Hormones make the ears stand up. Gentler dogs have less of this hormone. That's why Basset Hounds are very docile.
Skeeter
Have a look at an egg. That's about the size of their brain. As much as you fight it, they're really not that bright. You have to do the thinking for them, such as, say, not letting them out of the yard.
We have a large brain, but only use a fraction of it.
Dobbies are very smart dogs. This is why they are highly prized in police work. Not only will they attack, but the police officer can call them to stop attacking. A bored dobbie, is a loaded gun. Today, it's the walk that was exciting. If you do not walk him & give him new experiences, then other things (that are rare) will become exciting. For example, watching a kid play in the neighbor's yard. He'll get excited, jump the fence, and neighbor's kid will be beta. Another example, girl scouts come to the door, he'll get excited, and then attack.
Dogs attack out of fear, out of excitement, out of a protective nature. Dobbies are much more likely to attack if they are fearful, if they are excited, or if they think they need to protect. A bored dobbie, is a loaded gun.
I think you should trade those 2 in and get a LAB!!!!!
Swalker
I always stay on my block because they are too large, too strong and have aggressive tendencies(both in different areas) They get walked in harnesses connected to each other.
With respect, why do you own dogs of such a nature that you lack the confidence to control them?
They don't get walked often enough because they are powerful, frightening beasts, but after a few glasses of wine I got up my nerve and took them out yesterday. (We have walked this route many times before with no problem).
So, you are so lacking in confidence as regards controlling your dogs you allow your dogs to remain unexercised, and then have to drink to the point where you could no longer legally drive to finally take under-exercised dogs busting with energy for a walk. Dogwalking under the influence. How neighbourly.
Any suggestions?
To be blunt, give the dogs to someone who will care for them as they need to be cared for (you admit yourself you can't exercise them enough), someone who can deal with large aggressive dogs better than you.
This time your dogs fought with each other. You could not prevent it without help. Your dogs suffered injury solely through your lack of competence to handle them. That pain, that hurt, your fault.
Next time it could be a child that gets attacked. And no, having shown you cannot handle them your protestations that a similar lack of control wouldn't happen with a child will remain unconvincing.
I know this is harsh, but what do you expect? "Hi guys, I own dogs I am scared of taking for a walk and have so little control over them they fought and I needed help to pull them apart".
I could post lots of news items about other dog owners who lacked the competence to deal with potentially dangerous breeds whose dogs DID attack a child, even killing children, but I hope this is not necessary to make you realise how you recklessly endanger others. Even if local laws would not make you criminally liable for injuries to humans your dogs caused, morally you would be.
And yes, I am a dog lover, which is why I disapprove of your behaviour so strongly. They are pets, not toys. They are not doing anything 'wrong', they're being DOGS - they just lack a pack leader (that should be you).
You have a responsibility to them which you must recognise you are failing to live up to. Please, don't let this situation continue.
Thanks all for your replies. Deputy Dog had sent a link about dogs that was helpful, but I was very thrown by this situation and now realize it was a dominance challenge between the 2 of them. The older fella is slowing down and not as inclined to react to a situation he use to so the younger one tried to take over.
Based on the bite marks, the older one still was able to throw him to the ground .....just minor scratches on the younger one on his nose, but the older one had nasty bites underneath.
I want to make clear that they have a nice backyard to run in and I am teaching the younger one to swim. (Uses up a lot of energy)
The reason I stay on my street is there are fewer loose dogs. My boys have been attacked several times by loose pits in the neighborhood. I don't want anyone's dogs hurt even if it is there fault.
I also want to address Abaddon's accusations. As usual, he tends to be obnoxious and out of his league. He has accused me of some awful things.
And yes, I am a dog lover, which is why I disapprove of your behavior so strongly. They are pets, not toys. They are not doing anything 'wrong', they're being DOGS - they just lack a pack leader (that should be you).
First of all, these boys were adopted one year ago, I was chosen over 100 people. These dogs were adopted and given to me based on how I could take care of them. One is a $2500.00 trained personal protection dog and the other was a $1500.00 prized Doberman, raised together. They are loved, pampered,adored, and are happy dogs. They were never raised with cats, and I taught them to treat my 10 year old cat with respect. The younger one even whines for me when he can smell the cat wanting in or out.
Abbadon...You jackass, How quick you can make assumptions over the net.
These 2 boys adore people. Anyone who comes into the yard or home or met in the street is greeted with happiness, wagging tales, and kisses, then they lay at their feet to be petted. I have a Vet who comes to the home, and he was amazed at their gentleness stating they were better behaved then his own Lab.
The only reason I stated "wild large beasts" is because that is how they look and behave if attacked. Because so many people in this neighborhood have their dogs on the loose, or walk them without a leash, it takes some nerve to go walking and I have decided that it is not a good thing.
Do the boys lack excersize? No; Have I ever put my neighbors at risk, No!
Abaddon..your comments were hurtful and not helpful. Get a grip and try to be a nicer person. How dare you suggest I give up my darling dogs.
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I'd pay to see that.
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