I want to say that the reason we all relate to the William Wallaces is we know we have that heart in each of us. It's hard as hell to make a stand against your own damn family. I'm telling you all right now, it's killed me emotionally... I thought about my family, how many more must suffer and not accomplish what they can in this short life becasue of those god damn fools in brooklyn; and I couldn't take it anymore. I love you all, we must stand together and not do like the fools at the WT and focus too much on dogma. Love is the message and if we love our famlies we must do what's best for them.. and it hurts so fu(*&king bad... I live in a world of shit, but I can't back down.... If any of you ever need me, I'm there and I mean that folks. All of you are awesome and brave.
We all feel the pain of the WT, now what will we do about it?
by dawg 27 Replies latest jw friends
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helncon
Dawg you make great threads and posts!
Im guessing the shunning issue is the main reason most don't just leave.
Its human kind to be wanted and accepted within society and the sense of family.
I assume that we all have different ways in dealing with life and whatever way others go about leaving the JW is a personal choice.
Me i faded without knowing till i came here and realised thats what i did. But it was never in me i never truley believed.
Cheers
Helen
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bigdreaux
they make take our families, but, they will never take, OUR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
behind ya dawg. i am preparing for "the talk" my parents are coming down in a few months, i will get them on the last day, and "love bomb" them with real truth.
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greendawn
You are very determined and that is a great attribute I can understand your bitterness against the cult since they ostracised you from your family. If there were a few ex dubs with your determination the cult would have been morally destroyed by now.
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changeling
I'm trully sorry for the loved ones you've lost, but I must point out that you have not lost children. There is no greater pain than that and only a parent can relate to what I say.
Also, while I understand your rage, I wish you could be a little less one sided. "There is more than one way to skin a cat". There is absolutely no need for all of us to make our escape from the WT in the same way. What suits one personality may not suit another. By taking the "my way or the highway" attitude you fail to validate the struggle and sacrifices all of us have gone through. Just because some of us are not DF'd or DA'd does not mean we have not made and continue to make sacrifices. And just because we are the "quiet type" does not mean we can't be agents for change. Sometimes it's best to "win them w/o a word", sometimes it's not.
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dawg
Challenging, you are right to some degree... a war takes all kinds... lets resolve to end the WT carnage right here and now.. it's as if God himself made the internet for this purpose... I'm on here night and day and talk to folks from all over the world; I'm telling you all right here and now, this organization is going down. After writing my letters to the family, many who are still active called and siad that they agreed with me... we have our enemy on the field now, we can destroy them... I telling you, we're only a hair's ass from completeing the mission.
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brinjen
Dawg, I feel for you and everyone else here who still has family members/loved ones in the cult. I'm one of the lucky ones, I was the only surviving member when I left.
I agree, I believe the organisation will go down (how long can they keep delaying armageddon?) It's only a matter of time, those warnings of 'the last day' talk will only get them so far. That's their weakest point, it will only continue to weaken them as time progresses....
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penny2
We all play a part in some way. Even the faders who don't say anything to their family - they prove that you can leave the WTS and still be a good, honourable and even happy person (unlike what they would have you believe).
I took years to fade because of the fear of being shunned. While I was an active JW, I had loads of arguments and debates with family about beliefs and practices. I was a feminist (as far as a JW can be). But as soon as I started fading, I shut up. I knew this was serious now - they could start shunning me. In the last few years I have become more outspoken and have had serious discussions with most of the adults in the family. I feel that within my own small circle, I have achieved something - more than I would have achieved had I been disfellowshipped.
That said, I do admire those with the courage to speak out publicly. It needs to happen more - and I hope to participate someday.
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lavendar
Dear Dawg,
I commend you for what you're doing, and at the same time my heart breaks for you because you've lost your family. That has got to be the worst! This cult claims to be family oriented, but nothing could be further from the truth!
You've encouraged me, and I'm going to speak up more to our son, who is being sucked into this organization. My husband & I have never been (or known any) JWs. We're trying to help our son (& his wife) see the light before he gets baptized.
Lavendar
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jws
I'm sorry to hear you've lost your family and know how much that must hurt. And I'm happy to see that you are following your conscience.
But please don't paint faders as cowards. I saw many people disassociate themselves and/or declare themselves apostate. The reaction was a shake of the head. That poor misguided person. There is a chance that you've made an affect on somebody. Maybe somebody who respected you will take a second look. Hey, if "dawg" left, I wonder why? Maybe I better look into this... And maybe that's worth it all.
But the majority of JWs are going to shake their heads. It will strengthen their resolve. To them, you are in the hands of Satan now. It only proves they have the right religion and that they should be even more sheltered and on-guard to avoid being misled like you were.
I'm never going to change my father's mind. He's in his 80's and has been a JW for over 50 of those years. I faded, yet my dad knows why I don't come back and hasn't reported me. It does feel good to explain that to your family. But I do know if I let the elders know I'm an "apostate", I'd be disfellowshipped and my father would break off ties with me.
And dying on my bed, many years from now, would I be willing to trade all the days, from this day to that, for a chance to tell all those JWs at my old congregation how wrong they were and proclaim my freedom? Not really. Those people are part of an ever more distant past for me. I don't really care about the majority of them and only feel some concern for the nicer ones. Because I haven't made a public declaration, my father and sisters are part of my life now and I'm glad to have them as part of it.
That's worth way more to me than some temporary satisfaction from making a statement to people that will most likely fall on deaf ears.
But, to each his own. I hope losing your family was worth something and that your actions wont all be forgotten before the next meeting.