Were You Constantly Counseled By Elders & Others?

by minimus 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • minimus
    minimus

    Were you ever told by the elders or others in the congregation that you shouldn't engage in a certain thing because it would be inappropriate-----yet you did it anyway?

    Sometimes, "mature" ones will tell an inexperienced Witness what they should or should not do within their families. Certain sisters were adamant that a wife should leave her adulterous or abusive husband and if they didn't the victims were shunned by their counselors! I knew some women that listened to what others told them they should do and in turn were very unhappy with their decisions.

    It seems some individuals and families were always being counseled about one thing or another! Poor people!

    Were you on other people's radar? Did it seem like you were always being talked to about something???

  • anewme
    anewme

    Yes, but I guess they werent telling me what I really wanted to hear. I needed someone to tell me I was worth more than the shi**y prisoner life I was living.

    Because amazingly when someone did finally come along and tell me this good counsel I took it wholeheartedly and acted upon it immediately!


    Anewme

  • juni
    juni

    Nope. I was a good, little dubber.

    Juni

  • crazyblondeb
    crazyblondeb

    OMG!!!!!! I was the one that made them earn their titles!!

    My parents didn't raise us kids, the elder's did. They got called every time we got in trouble for ANYTHING at home. Even my stepdad said a couple years ago that he was sorry for that!! GEEZZZZZZZ!!!!

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I think I was counseled for picky things more than anything. They made a big deal of my pale-yellow shirt (with a tan suit coat), almost as if I had a cross in plain view. They made a big deal of scuff marks on my shoes, as well as any visible wear on my service bag. They also wanted me to dry clean my suits every week. Plus getting a haircut about every 4-6 weeks to keep it short.

    The worst counsel was something that, had the organization even been close to the truth, would have had the whole body of elders and all the elders circuit- and district-wide disfellowshipped. They set me up so all I could meet was other men. And then they counseled me to just meet men. For an organization that is against homosexuality (itself another heated topic), they sure know how to create that condition in naturally straight people. Plus it created extra apprehension in all the sisters--for all they cared, I might as well have been a famous apostate at that time (except then I wouldn't have been able to do the work). This counsel is what ultimately led to my taking that religion and shoving it up their a**es.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Wizard, please expound on your homosexuality comment. I have no idea what you're talking about.

  • changeling
    changeling

    Yeah Wizard, what do you mean? Set you up tp meet only men???

  • minimus
    minimus

    WIZARD, well?????

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    What they do is set single men up with other single men on many occasions, while attempting to cut them off from the opposite sex. Several program-wide instances of this run through the Tower--the Pioneer Assist program, the Bethel roommates, and the reading assisting school they set up in 1977 are key examples of widespread incidents where two people of the same sex are paired off. If they are also cut off from the opposite sex to a sufficient degree, then they could become infatuated with each other. Some are more susceptible to this as it is; the more they can be cut off from the opposite sex, the worse the problem is likely to be.

    And what they did to me was, besides cutting me off from the opposite sex as best they could, was to always have me work with the same brother in service for long periods of time. This could run for years at a time. They would basically have the same brother, who became a regular pioneer, always work with me when we were out in service. And later, after this brother died, it was only a matter of time before they found another brother for me to work with consistently. That didn't work out because I started not going out at all.

    These are examples of homosexuality that happens when two same sex people are paired off consistently (in this case, I didn't actually become active as a homosexual). This also happens in the military when the sexes are separated and the boys are all put aside in the same unit without any opposite-sex company. At least in the military it is accepted--in the Tower, it is not.

    Notably, there is another potential cause for homosexuality to develop. This happens normally at or shortly before puberty, and the person does not outgrow it. Notably, the Watchtower Society is great at stopping people from growing up (note that they treat the members like little children: the "one towel" rule is a prime example). Under these circumstances, pair two brothers on a semipermanent basis, and watch out! There is a fair chance that one or both will become infatuated with the other. This is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation.

    Of course, some homosexuality is genetic or the result of hormone imbalances. This is not the issue here, since it will happen whether or not it is encouraged. What is at issue is that the Watchtower Society actually provides circumstances that can lead to opportunistic homosexuality, at least in feelings if not actually acted out. And, for a society that is against it, that makes them hypocrites. And any counsel that cuts off the mixing of the opposite sex and/or encourages the same men to always be together can fit into this as promoting something that they are supposed to be against.

  • ninja
    ninja

    hey WTWizard...tell us did you and Freddy Franz get it on then?

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