My Wife Asked About My Mother-

by OnTheWayOut 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I use my opportunities with my wife to have mini-interventions, but I do things differently with
    my mother. She knows that I am no longer an elder, but she hasn't asked more about what's
    going on in my "Spiritual" life. It's like other JW's- She's probably afraid of the answers.
    I allow my non-JW sibling (who knows about my fade from the cult) to work on my mother and
    I make mini-intervention comments, but more subtle than the ones with the wife. Basically, I am
    trying a different approach with the mother. I don't think it's working well so I took it up a notch,
    recently.

    While my wife knows much more, she's afraid to ask usually, because I will be able to say
    something that's not pro-JW.

    So, here's what happened. I got two new copies of MISTAKES WERE MADE BUT NOT BY ME
    for my sibling and my mother. I told the sibling I would make presents of them, and to just be
    thrilled for such a great gift. My sibling, my wife, my mother and I were present. I gave the books
    to them, saying "I wanted you each to have this book, because it really helps my thinking. It allows
    me to see that I need to be careful about just going along with others or thinking that I don't have
    unseen influences on my decisions. It helped me to see that I don't have to continue to justify past
    actions and decisions that may have been bad, and throw more effort and time into justifying them,
    but I can admit that mistakes were made, and it's time to change them."

    I said that in one breath, practically. It came out naturally. My sibling thanked me heavily. I am
    certain my sibling will read and appreciate the book. My mother thanked me, and because it is a
    gift, I am also certain she will read the book. It's not about religion, but it's about cognitive dissonance and
    biased thinking, pressures upon our decisions from various sources, thinking in absolutes such as 'us' and
    'them.' This will be a good ice breaker for further discussions with my mother, such as "Why did you
    think I should have that book?"

    After awhile of family chit chat, my sibling left. My mother started talking about the "New System right around
    the corner." I said nothing, allowing my wife to carry the load of JW chat.

    Later, just the wife and I were talking. "You didn't tell your mother you don't go to the meetings anymore, did you?"

    "No, she knows I am not an elder."

    "Why haven't you told her?"

    "Since I told her I am no longer serving as an elder because I have disagreements with Organizational policies,
    (that is what I told her) I wait to be asked questions, just like with you. If she were to ask about meetings, I
    would tell her. It's bound to come up when discussing the Convention this year. Besides, you are free to talk
    with her about it." (Typical of most in-law relationships, she gets along with them but only speaks to my family
    when she is with me. They don't do coffee together or shop together without me. My relation to her family is
    the same as that.)

    "She hasn't asked?"

    "No, it hasn't come up."

    "And when she does ask, 'Why aren't you going to meetings?' what will you say?"

    "It's important to think for myself without pressures upon my understandings. The meetings interfere with
    my ability to think for myself."

    "And you will answer whatever questions she asks?"

    "Sure, any questions you ask, also."

    No more questions came from her. I actually hope she speaks to my mother, but I am almost certain
    she won't. Thanks for reading and any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

  • changeling
    changeling

    Just keep it up. Keep loving your wife and family and being a nice guy. If they have a problem with that, shame on them.

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    You just keep being a great hubby. You make her adore you so madly, she'll grow out of the whole JW thing.

    "And you will answer whatever questions she asks?"

    "Sure, any questions you ask, also."

    No more questions came from her. I actually hope she speaks to my mother, but I am almost certain
    she won't.

    Good reply. She must know by now that you're only not talking about it because she doesn't want to talk about it. Go with that. Talk about lots of other fun stuff. And buy her some damn flowers.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    And buy her some damn flowers.

    That's a good suggestion for wife AND mother. Thanks

  • ex-nj-jw
    ex-nj-jw

    OTWO -

    It sounds like you have a great plan, whether is planned or not, keep doing what you are doing. And I agree buy them some damn flowers, women love flowers!! It makes us smile

    nj

  • 38 Years
    38 Years

    Looks like you're making some progress! And yes, she will love getting flowers!

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    This will be a good ice breaker for further discussions with my mother, such as "Why did you
    think I should have that book?"


    "And when she does ask, 'Why aren't you going to meetings?' what will you say?"

    Ideas on what to say to Mom? That's what I really want.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Hey there OTWO,

    Just saw your post.

    Basically, I am trying a different approach with the mother. I don't think it's working well so I took it up a notch, recently.

    What do you want to accomplish with your Mom? Keeping her JW feathers smoothed? Or, 'taking it up a notch'?

    Open Mind

  • flipper
    flipper

    On the Way Out-- Good thread. Mr. Flipper here. I've tried fading for four years now and my dad 82 and a elder and mom 80 still talk with me and respect my decision to fade away, because of my doubts in that religion. I try to play it safe and stay on generic topics like the weather, their cats, our cats, ya know easy stuff. It seems to work with them. They are old and don't want to lose their youngest son's association. I have it easier than you because my wife is not a witness. And a fading 22 year old son who I get along with great. But my 2 daughters 20 and 19 won't have much or anything to do with me, and my older ex-bethelite elder brother (very self righteous) won't even allow me in his home. I tell you this so you can see it runs the gamut from shunning to some acceptance. I don't know how much of your family is in it, I was raised in it,so it's a challenge. But hang in there. Sounds like your fading good. Like someone else said, "Just be a good husband to your wife, be loving". She should respect that about you, even if you don't share her beliefs. Take care, Peace to you, Mr. Flipper

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    What do you want to accomplish with your Mom? Keeping her JW feathers smoothed? Or, 'taking it up a notch'?

    My mother has a non-JW husband and a decent retirement portfolio because of that. If she never left
    the JW's, it would mainly be her husband's loss. She continues to put in the bare minimum field service
    and makes about 75 to 80 % of the meetings. I think she would enjoy life a bit more if she was able to
    let go, though. She is so sure that the end is coming before she has to face death. She might have more than
    20 years left of her life and it will constantly be her thing- "Armageddon is around the corner." She
    tells her husband constantly that he should try harder to learn the truth.

    With me, it is always within the text of the conversation, but the religion is not the bulk of the conversations
    with my mother.

    What I would like is to go ahead and help her to slowly let go of her false hope of Armageddon and Paradise
    before she grows old and dies. I don't think she would ever shun me, as she
    was DF'ed after 1975 and hated it, thinking it was not right, but met her husband, lived in sin, repented and came
    back to the WTS while I was a kid. If she did shun me, I could reveal information to her husband, but he would
    probably go all gung-ho on getting her out, making her think he and I are servants of the demons, but I would
    consider it before I lose her.

    I am fine with the slow route to helping her. I will have to say why I didn't go to the DC. Certainly, by memorial
    time, things will come up again. My fade must include refraining from the Memorial, too. Otherwise, the
    do-nothing elders will decide to do-something- can't have that.

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