Nothing but getting fed up with the religion and seeing the false love for what it is. I've accepted the fact very recently that it's useless to use doctrine as a way to try to get them to leave. I used to be that way. You couldn't tell me anything about the org that was bad without me trying to refute it or just look beyond the truth. The mentality was there as with most other JWs, "wait on Jehovah to correct things". It was only when I saw the love lacking within the org that I really took a different look at the org. So i'm actually happy that I had been treated as if I wasn't even part of the congo. I hope that others realize that as well. In particular i'm hoping my dad does....my mom already has for years, but only to a limited degree as far as I know.
Is There ANYTHING That Could Get Your Friends & Relatives Outta The Org.?
by minimus 27 Replies latest jw friends
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minimus
If a Witness sees something totally wrong, they'll decide to "wait on Jehovah", usually. Very few can seem to make a break.
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drew sagan
Very few can seem to make a break.
I don't know, it seems like a good number of people are making their way out.
It seems that for most people it is a two step process. Bad experience mixed with questions over various teachings.
These two things can appear in many different forms, but usually they are always there. -
blondie
Read Steve Hassan's book and take your time planting seeds to make them think. Realize that some are in it for selfish reasons not altruistic ones.
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RollerDave
I agree that is is a two-step process, the first step would be to actually permit one's self to think whatever one wants, the second is to use that permission to re-examine what one HAS been thinking.
I don't have too many left in the b0rg,
My mom is 79 yrs old and beginning the slide into alzheimer's, she was never too sharp to begin with. Big hearted, creative, fervent, but not exactly sharp. I don't see her breaking free before her mind goes too far, and It's a shame.
Older sister, Mrs. PO (and husband) are enjoying the dub life from the upper crust, I don't think either of them would want to give up all they have worked for. Too much to start again from the bottom in your fifties unless you are MADE to, but they are about as unlikely to slip up as anyone I know.
Younger sister SRLB. I could see her coming out one day. She has always had a worldly streak a mile wide and is only suppressing it now by sheer willpower I believe. She is very much afraid of me, and as we used to be very close I feel safe in saying what she fears is the truth about the truth she knows I have. In the back of her mind, she can see something is NOT RIGHT and knows if she gave herself permission her whole house of cards would come tumbling down around her completely invalidating all her previous works of self righteousness.
Niece and her husband. I don't even know them anymore. He's still a bigtime rock and roller, she is very very cozy with SRLB so if SRLB ever comes out, she will probably take niece with her. Not out of concern for niece, or altruism, but so that she won't be alone.
My older bro DF is already out, but that does me no good since he is pond scum in OR out. I wouldn't cross the street to piss on him if he were on fire. Ptui!
I got two exes, the first (X-Box) is completely delusional and as long as the WTS mindset provides an excuse (her being rejected by it) for her to whore it up and drown in liquor, she will never disbelieve it. She believes as truly and sincerely as any dub, but from the outside where the parties are louder.
The fella that ran off with X-box was associated, but I think he's pretty much done with it for good. The last vestiges of doubt seem to have been killed by the new Kool-Ade WT arrangement.
2nd ex, (haven't thought of a cutesy nick yet) Is kind hearted, friendly, naive, and completely unstable. Oh, not terribly intelligent either, but she had HUGE cans...
She's in for life, perpetually trying to measure up and 'get in' but never quite making it. I think they keep her on the fringe because they are scared of her instability. I don't blame them. If she messed up and they shunned her, she would still go, sit in the back, and revel in the tragedy with huge silent tears rolling down her face and into that enormous cleavage until they trespassed her, or let her resume her fringe position.
God, I am long winded.
Roller
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minimus
I agree it's a 2 step experience, as a rule. My thought is that even if the rank and file clearly KNEW that the GB was full of sh*t, they'd still wait on You Know Who.
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mrsjones5
I don't have the energy to even try.
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GoingGoingGone
I think a lot of the JWs use the WT as a crutch. They have insta-friends, status, someone to tell them what to do and pat them on the back when they obey, etc. Take that away, and they would fall apart. They wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
When people leave, it's because they are ready to leave. Before that, trying to force them out usually drives them deeper in. I know... I've tried...
GGG
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garybuss
You asked: Is There ANYTHING That Could Get Your Friends & Relatives Outta The Org.?
I don't think my relatives would leave the Kingdom Hall if it was on fire. First, they would deny there was a fire and when they couldn't deny there was a fire any longer, they would disfellowship anyone who talked about the fire, and when they couldn't deny any longer, and when they couldn't control the murmuring about the fire any longer, they'd have a meeting to decide who to blame for the fire and to be sure nobody talked to the media.
It's like when they built the new Hall. They couldn't decide whether to put a flat roof on it or to put a peaked roof in it. They argued and argued and finally voted and the peaked roof won, so they put on the flat roof.
They finally split into two congregations, the east and the west. Since the Hall was in the west unit's territory they decided the west unit owned it and the east unit had to pay rent, but the east unit people weren't happy and they wanted to know if they got any credit for their equity. The west unit said no, that the rent was for expenses but the east unit still didn't let it go so they gave a talk and said it was too close to Armageddon to be fighting about a building. That was about 1956. -
keyser soze
Doubtful. Even if they were to open their minds to the possibility that there's serious flaws in their belief system, many of them simply have nothing else. My parents and older siblings have been in their whole lives. I'm not sure they could even function in the real world at this point in their lives. It's the whole "where else shall we go" mentality.