The ULTIMATE APOLOGIA

by Terry 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    "From the shelter of my mind" I can either take perceptions of being (starting with "my body") as real, at face value; or construe them in a more sophisticated way as a "dream" (although my notion of "dream" entirely depends of the perceived antinomy between "dream" and "reality" as not dreamt). What does that change actually? More precisely, how can an "apology" emerge from this artifice (if not self-delusion)? If it is all "only a dream" and I am "only a character within the dream" I can still take issue with the dream from within the dream. And even though I may not be more than an unconvinced character in the dream I am still unconvinced.

    Quite so, quite so.

    That is why mystical conversation cuts off the blood supply to my cranium after five minutes.

    But, at least I gave it a try!

    As far as what consciousness "is"......well....the recursive nature of a thing looking at itself is too paradoxical to grasp hold of! At least for me. I'm afraid I'd plunge into a void of self-referential reflections that would carry me into a black hole of sorts and I'd pop out the other side of John Malkovich's head!

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    Warlock

  • knock knock
    knock knock

    ...and here I thought this was another high-falutin' APOLOGY thread.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks Terry. Now my head hurts.

    Open Mind

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    I believe in the hard, solid life that we are living here and now. I don't think we are in some sort of matrix or pretend non-life. I personally know that I am not just someone's imagination. This is post-modernist thinking. I'm a modern thinker. I have a friend who thinks we may be in a matrix. I respect your right to believe what you want but also think that idea is in left field somewhere, unless I misunderstood the whole thing, then forget what I posted. And yes, I would love to have whatever you are smoking, too:)

  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    Terry,

    I always follow with interest when you post because you always offer insight and meaning into conundrums.It is only through imaginitve thought that hidden truths may become apparent.What is imagination, ? you reach up to heaven for an idea and you bring it down to earth and put it to work.

    Keep up the good work and if you are sending out "stuff " send me some.Only kidding but I had to laugh at that remark about what you were on.

    Edmond

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    An entertaining glimpse into Terry's encephalon. (in an attempt to look smart too, that was the first time in my life I've used that word; perhaps I'll use "glimpse", more often now).

    I don't believe any of it. But, it is certainly easy to concoct explanations out of mere nothing.

    It is fascinating where characters and situations come "from" when an author sits down to write or a storyteller begins to wing it.

    Yes, it's not about believing or adding more conceptual baggage. Speaking of fascinating: where does the character of "me" come from? When we actually sit an watch the mind weave its egoic-self, are we not watching the same imaginative "storyteller" at work molding yet another fictitious personality? Is that which is closer, that which is silently watching, really and truly any part of the story of "self"?

    As far as what consciousness "is"......well....the recursive nature of a thing looking at itself is too paradoxical to grasp hold of! At least for me. I'm afraid I'd plunge into a void of self-referential reflections that would carry me into a black hole of sorts and I'd pop out the other side of John Malkovich's head!

    Yes, it's not only difficult to grasp, it's impossible to hold in the limited mind what is limitless.

    Why is it so often problematic to simply sit and investigate into our most immediate and intimate sense of being? Seems it would be the easiest endeavor in the world. What is the obstruction? Perhaps it is revealed in what was casually mentioned:

    I'm afraid

    There is a huge amount of energy invested in our intellectually constructed sense of "self". It is often the center of the universe on which everything ever believed or thought firmly rests. Letting go of it can be frightening. For example:

    One day, while sitting on my bed, silently watching the mind and feeling the sensations within the body, a tiny irritation arose. Just an innocent little boredom it seemed. I continued to just sit and observe. The boredom started to get hotter and more persistent. Interesting. Within a few minutes it became clear that there was a stronger and stronger pull to get up from the bed and do something else. It was becoming painful to remain sitting. The boredom didn't seem so innocent anymore as it started to demand that this be stopped and something else be done....anything! do anything! just not this! Sitting there, alone, I became engulfed in intense agony. It was fear. Terror. The first time this happened I could not stay with it....I ran from my bedroom as fast as my legs could carry me and did something else. I have had a stranger walk up and place a gun to my head, and there was far less fear then, than at times sitting alone, looking within.

    What is this about? Simple, the character of "me" and all it tightly holds as true and real is threatened. Self-preservation mechanisms kick in. For me, such events made it clear that there was far more to be seen. What would remain when everything that was believed and molded into a character of "me", was seen through?

    Perhaps one has to be a little nuts to move forward. Certainly helpful is an intense desire to know what is real and true, at any price.

    j

  • LennyinBluemont
    LennyinBluemont

    Hey Terry, we met at the Apostafest in Dallas last month over at hemplovers. I am Mrs.LennyinBluemont from Virginia. I have not posted on here but one other time. I have been reading the active topics for over a year. I don't think I am smart enough to comment on your thread. After reading, I know this one is way over my head, but I will give it some thought. You are wise beyond your height (& you are a tall one, too.)

    Trixie

  • donkey
    donkey

    Great theory...

    So try this:

    Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.
    If you die you aren't really dead - right?
    If you survive - it didn't really hurt - right?
    If you end up as a vegetable you aren't any more retarded than the rest of us who would not do this - right?

    Since nothing is real there is no way you can dispute my post because it doesn't really exist anyway (please mods don't delete it since it's not there anyway -OK!!)

    Jack

  • eclipse
    eclipse

    Thanks for clearing that word up...the meaning makes perfect sense now.

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