The ULTIMATE APOLOGIA

by Terry 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

• 

  Terry

  The most complicated, transcendant (outside of time and space) mind in the universe IS the universe.

  That is an antimony, by the way.

  This MIND we can call "God". It simply "is".

  What the consciousness of this mind considers is more real than the dreams we have or the plans we make.

  That is the premise of what follows. Read on....

  This mind (ALL) is considering creating heavens and Earth. But, before doing this, rightfully considers what the consequencesmight be in advance.

  All of what we call human history is this imaginative, speculative consideration of what MIGHT happen.

  Compare it to a chessplayer thinking moves ahead BEFORE actually touching the chess pieces.

  That is the set-up. Read on.

  Everything that we think has happened hasn't happened. Not really. But, so enormously fertile and magnificent is the imagination of this MIND (God) that even the characters of thought (us) THINK we are real.

  What is the consequence? Read on.

  Nothing terrible has ever REALLY happened! It has only played out AS THOUGH it was actually happening!

  The sin, the death, the wars, the chaos and the loss are all merely probabilities played out in the MIND of God BEFORE He acts to make it real!

  An author can create characters. The characters are as real as the author's ability to fill them with minds, personality and purpose. We are authored.

  The conclusion? Read on.

  Once we (the speculative fiction of God's mind) recognize our consciousness is really God's imagination (and not merely our own) our "awareness" makes sense for the first time.

  How? Read on.

  There has been no harm done. It is all a dress rehearsal. The end will be seen in advance and necessary steps taken to prevent harm to the innocent. Our existence has been provisional. Where were we before we existed? Where was Tom Sawyer before Mark Twain wrote him?

  Relax.

  Recognize your identity for what it is: the most realistic dream ever dreamed! The most virtual of alive characters ever written.

  When the sleeper (God) awakes the characters (us) become the stuff of dreams.

  Now THAT is apologia!

  (I dedicated this thought to J.T.)
• 

  AlphaOmega

  Everything that we think has happened hasn't happened. Not really. But, so enormously fertile and magnificent is the imagination of this MIND (God) that even the characters of thought (us) THINK we are real.

  Us being a "chip of the old block" of God's mind are able to produce the same effect...

  Picture a field.... put a horse in it....put a man in it.....put a woman walking towards him.....they meet.....

  What does she say to him ?

  You have created in your minds... now you are observing your creation. The conscious "you" didn't tell the woman what to say - it simply observed it.
• 

  eclipse

  Terry,

  Interesting post, I have a question for you.

  I have never seen the word, ''antimony'' before, so I looked it up on dictionary.com.

  It gave 9 references, but all of them describe the same meaning.

  an·ti·mo·ny

  –noun Chemistry .

  a brittle, lustrous, white metallic element occurring in nature free or combined, used chiefly in alloys and in compounds in medicine. Symbol: Sb; atomic number: 51; atomic weight: 121.75. an·ti·mo·ny (an't?-mo'ne) n. Symbol Sb A metallic element having four allotropic forms, the most common of which is a hard, extremely brittle, lustrous, silver-white, crystalline material. It is used in a wide variety of alloys, especially with lead in battery plates, and in the manufacture of flame-proofing compounds, paint, semiconductor devices, and ceramic products. Atomic number 51; atomic weight 121.76; melting point 630.5°C; boiling point 1,380°C; specific gravity 6.691; valence 3, 5. See Table at element. Online Etymology Dictionary - antimony 1477, from M.L. antimonium an alchemist's term (used 11c. by Constantinus Africanus), origin obscure, probably a Latinization of Gk. stimmi, from some Arabic word (cf. 'othmud ) or ult. from Egyptian stm "powdered antimony" (used to paint the eyelids). In folk etymology, anti-moine "monk's bane" (from Fr. moine ). As a pure element, it is attested from 1788; chemical symbol Sb is for Stibium Forgive my ignorance.... I am not sure if you meant the element ''antimony'', or if you are refering to another meaning of ''antimony'' I tried looking the word ''antimony'' using the thesaurus feature, but it does not recognise the word. I would really like to know how you meant the word to be used in that sentence....thanks so much for your patience... a student still learning, -eclipse
• 

  Narkissos

  antinomy ?
• 

  nvrgnbk

  100$ worth of the stuff that the gentleman from Texas is smoking please.
• 

  trevor

  Very deep Terry - almost religious!

  The idea that we are nothing more than a thought that is considering options makes some sense. Eastern religion talks of the ‘world of form’ that is evidence of a true reality invisible to us.

  Even the bible refers to this to world as ‘a shadow of the things to come.’ But the idea that it is not really happening but God or the Universe just thinking out loud of or ‘out of his cloud’ is intriguing.

  It has been said before that we are nothing more than a giant thought. In the end we are as real as we believe ourselves to be. Once we see though our own identity the illusion is lost and we become transient piles of dust held together by thought. Are they our thoughts of is the universe thinking through us?

  At the end of the day, or what we perceive to be a day, we either accept that there is a mind at work in the universe that may be thinking through us or independently of us or we are alone.

  I can't say I am bothered either way!
• 

  nvrgnbk

  Terry.

  I was just messin. Deep and thought-provoking, as always.

  But I still want some of what you're on.
• 

  Terry

  Definitions of antinomy on the Web:

  • [A340/B398] The antinomy of pure reason is one of three kinds of "dialectical syllogisms" in which speculative reason is mis-applied beyond the limits of possible experience, the other two being the transcendental paralogism and the ideal of pure reason. An antinomy "is directed to the transcendental concept of the absolute totality of the series of conditions for any given appearance", a concept which we are not entitled to employ.
    www.texttribe.com/text/kant_glossary.htm
  • a contradiction between two statements that seem equally reasonable
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • Antinomy (Greek anti-, against, plus nomos, law) is a term used in logic and epistemology, which, loosely, means a paradox or unresolvable contradiction.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinomy
• 

  Terry

  100$ worth of the stuff that the gentleman from Texas is smoking please.

  Indeed! I just wanted to try my hand at what ever it is the explainers, apologists and theologians have been doing for thousands of years.

  I don't believe any of it. But, it is certainly easy to concoct explanations out of mere nothing.

  It is fascinating where characters and situations come "from" when an author sits down to write or a storyteller begins to wing it.

  I shouldn't have posted late at night. As Narkissos quickly figured out I had switched the "n" and the "m" in ANTIMONY. Sorry. It should have been spelled the other way.
• 

  Narkissos

  Glad to see you back nvr.

  I for one would stop at the "antinomy" (if this is what Terry meant) of the first premise.

  "Consciousness," both etymologically and conceptually, requires difference or otherness. More (or less) than "one". Consciousness of being implies something else than being. Like a bubble in the ocean making room for something else than water -- even if it doesn't come from elsewhere, even if it owes its exact form and movement to the pressure of water, it has to differ So I would rather believe that consciousness always emerge from difference within being, and its "transcendance" is that of 0-bubbles within whatever is (and it doesn't matter at this point whether I construe it as "one" or "several") which allows anyone to think "nothing" and then to perceive whatever "is" as "being". (Cf. Heidegger's description of man/mind as the "clearing of being").

  "From the shelter of my mind" I can either take perceptions of being (starting with "my body") as real, at face value; or construe them in a more sophisticated way as a "dream" (although my notion of "dream" entirely depends of the perceived antinomy between "dream" and "reality" as not dreamt). What does that change actually? More precisely, how can an "apology" emerge from this artifice (if not self-delusion)? If it is all "only a dream" and I am "only a character within the dream" I can still take issue with the dream from within the dream. And even though I may not be more than an unconvinced character in the dream I am still unconvinced.