Do the hours of the JW's reflect their actual preaching? (page 2)

Paralipomenon

I just outright lied. I went in service for whatever my parents forced me to, then at the end of the month just put in 12-13 hours.

No clue how much time I actually spent.

Bumble Bee

No. For the time to reflect "actual preaching" you would only count the time you actually spent talking to someone. Nobody does this! I suspect many many people "fudge" on their time slips.

BB

NewYork44M

A similar question: What would happen if pubs did not have to turn in time?

My guess is that the actual number of hours would drop of dramatically. However, the productivity of those remaining in field service would significantly increase. There really are those that enjoy field service, are productive, and are not driven by the clock.

So the real question is why it required that people turn in time. And the answer is: The act of turning in time and monitoriing activity is a very effective means of controlling the r&f.

The r&f know this. Which is why they find every means possible to extend their time. Not because the think it provides value, but because it effectively mitigates the coercive control of turning in time.

mkr32208

No, it's crap.

I would guess that any day that I spent three hours in "service" I would talk to maybe four people... Of course I was busily engaged in trying to find LESS people to talk too.

icyestrm

Some of the really brainwashed ones do lazy preaching where they sit around at restaurants eating there and count their time. Without even talking to anybody. I personally put whatever time on the reports since this preaching work is for a so-called god that doesn't exist. So I didn't really care.

drew sagan

hell no

SnakesInTheTower

NOPE.

I may have told this story before when this came up. A bunch of years ago, I was accused of lying about my time as a reg. pio (back when it was 90 hours/mo.). Once, while waiting for others at the KH, I was in the car adding up my time and it was the end of the month. I was at 120 hours. (and that was AFTER knocking off 10% because I figured I wasted at least 10% of the time.) I was behind for the year to reach my 1000 hours by Aug 31 and I did not want to be out 90 hours a month during the summer, so I hustled. I was very meticulous about recording my time properly.

One of the other regular pioneers, a married sister who for whatever reason was jealous of me, seen my calendar lying on the front seat...Wanted to know how I could be at that number when she never seen me in the ministry (answer, I went by myself because I could not stand her and her pio. partner). She went to her MS husband, made the accusation, he went to the elders (instead of following the scripture and coming to me first), the elders formed an investigative team (of the entire BOE), and brought in all of the reg pioneers to the KH except the 2 elderly ones (who would have stood up for me, because I also worked with them in the FS). They asked them all one YES or NO question. "Do you think Brother {snake} is a liar?" If they tried to say anything other than YES or NO, they would stop them and insist on one of those 2 words. It was unanimous YES. They accused me about lying about other things, some minor (I got accused of some silliness at a donut shop...none true...long story), Some things that were none of their business. Years later, the single reg pioneer apologized to me and said they only wanted to hear one thing and she had no way of saying anything else. I understood. Especially since one of the lies was that I had a crush on her (she was ...still is...a single sister...I didn't/still dont have those feelings for her)

It turned out the BOE made this a JC matter at the behest of the CO (who later apologized to me). I was privately reprooved, removed as a MS/reg pio....MTS application had to be withdrawn. The only restriction was no public prayer....FOR A MONTH. Then the JC lifted the restriction and I was back in good standing....just enough to put a screeching halt to all of my dreams in the Borg....The 3 year restriction for being a MS had started. The day after my being announced as not a MS, I received a call from the Bethel Construction office inviting me to come to Patterson (in the early stages back then) for 3 months. OOPS...too late. I remember calling the PO begging him to reverse the decision, not make it JC, and let me go and let this all die down....he said he could not. Years later he told me he regretted what they did...the CO had forced the issue...and he too apologized a few months after it happened, but said there was nothing to be done (Years later I found out this was not true, the CO could have gotten it reversed).

Sadly, the pioneer who made the accusation is still a reg. pio....she and her new pio partner sister only work with each other...for years and years. I am not sure what they do in the ministry.....I am not in their congo anymore....Can you imagine spending 70 hours a month with someone not your mate confined to a vehicle all day? People in the field think they are lesbians. If I did not know better, I would think so too. The single pio sister is still a single pio sister in another congo....she is beautiful, smart....and still wants to get married...but she has given up her youth and her dreams of her career for what????...~~pioneering~~ counting time? sheesh. No brother will touch her now with a 10 foot pole because she scares the hell out of them with her "theocraticness" (I made that word up...obviously)...and no way could she ever be "humble and submissive" to some brother after being single all this time.

So this long story is not a hijack of the thread...because it all happened over....yep....IT WAS ALL OVER "COUNTING TIME"

That's OK, Brother Snake counts phantom time now...2-3 hours a month....couple placements, couple of imaginary friends as RV's that I dont have any conversation with at all. I figure they owe me.

SnakesInTheTower (of the "NOW I am turning in phantom time, come get me" Sheep Class)

stillajwexelder

Absolutely not - even the most zealous pioneers in our congo count McDonalds breaks, the time driving between calls etc. Do the hours of the JW's reflect their actual preaching? ABSOLUTELY NO

OUTLAW

How many times did you actually find someone who wanted to talk to you?..No one home,is not preaching..Being tossed off the property,is not preaching..Introducing yourself,is not preaching..Holding magazines up for the house holder to see is not a conversation.Its a 5 sec infomercial for the WBT$..In 2 hrs of field service I doubt many people got 2 minutes of actual preaching in...OUTLAW

TheCoolerKing

Do the hours of the JW's reflect their actual preaching?

Nope, not at all! At least not at the congregations where I attended. We'd start counting the time the minute we left the KH. Slowly walking to the car, waiting to warm it up, driving to the territory at 20 mph. Getting out of the car, slowly walking to the 1st door. Standing at the same door talking with the other JW, knowing full well that nobody is at home! Then walking slowly to the next door. Oh, and if the weather was cold, we'd have to get back in the car to warm up between doors! I'd say in a 2 hr time frame we may have talked to three people, two of which werent interested anyway.

Do the hours of the JW's reflect their actual preaching?

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