JOBLESS COUPLE HAVE 12 KIDS AND GET A $1,000,000 FREE HOME

by Mary 204 Replies latest social current

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  Terry

  For those who are opposed to "supporting" the village children: Why? Is it that they do not come from your immediate gene pool that gives you such a visceral reaction? Can you foresee a utilitarian benefit to producing human beings that may in some way support you when you are too old? (i.e., change your diapers, cook your meals, etc.)? If nothing else, carry on your "tribe"?

  We imagine we are rational. We aren't rational. We are emotional creatures who can sometimes be rational. Sex is about hormones stimulating behavior. What we dress up and call romance, love, attraction, etc. is just our mythos of coping with a powerful interior reality.

  The bargain of sex is the result: LIFE.

  The hard part of the bargain is that LIFE has identity.

  Once we identify LIFE as a PERSON we are dealing with our own SELF by extension.

  It is inexorable that humans view the result of sexual union as HUMAN or else we'd cease to exist.

  Look at the NATURAL WORLD for a moment and put your emotional attachments aside. Just for a minute or so.

  LIFE that is not viable is BRUTALLY extinguished everywhere.

  The herd drives out the weak and the weak become food for predators.

  Animals eat their least viable young.

  It is a tradeoff in this world between being food for others and being a creature that survives to make food of others.

  That is a very, very ugly thought. I hate it myself. But, it is reality.

  Now, having said all that.....

  IF WE GO AGAINST NATURE and preserve every weak thing which is alive......what do we get? Does nobody want to take responsibility for that result?

  It has already happened over and over again. The weak rule the weak-minded and get them to do the dirty work. What dirty work?

  WAR.

  War kills off the bravest and most altruistic of the species leaving the weak and the cowardly and the selfish behind to BREED.

  Civilization is increasingly weak, cowardly and selfish as a result.

  ONLY BY BECOMING CLEARLY RATIONAL can we face the process of life in a way which is meaningful.

  What you reward you get MORE of. When you reward having lots of children without having the resources to care for them you get MORE PEOPLE HAVING CHILDREN who are utterly DEPENDANT until the end occurs:

  THE SYSTEM COLLAPSES of its own weight.

  War is largely waged by the under class. The under class are weak because they can't play the economic and educational game. They seek opportunity in the armed forces. But, the bargain they make (to better themselves eventually) is offset by the very real possibility of being made a dead soldier in a weak-minded cause.

  The Muslim countries are collapsing into mass of self-destructive martyrdom because of the largesse of the riches bestowed without merit. The only purpose left in life for the weak-minded highly educated youth is to self-immolate and bring about Allah's masterpiece of delusional resolution.

  Christianity is weak-minded response to ignoring the natural order of life and death by bringing about a delusional RESET BUTTON of heaven and the destruction of the wicked.

  In other words: WE EITHER FACE REALITY or we retreat into silly mythical, delusional scenarios of Socialism, religion, political malfeasance and utopic thought.
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  Littledreamfaery

  The psychological experiments which have been done to prove that a child has conciousness and is capable of recognising their own mother consist of exposing the child to their mothers voice but also to another womans voice, they respond to their mothers voice and not to the other womans. Plus I know that my older brother when he was newly born attempted to raise his head and look round the room he was born in. New born babies can immiate facial expressions and so on. To say a child which hasn't been born is not actually human is not right.
  
  I remember moving house at the age of 3, I remember a brick flying through my parents kitchen window when I was 2, I'm pretty sure that if I tried I could remember more than that. But the thing is a childs memorys usually start about 3 or 4, ones which are recalled in adulthood. But if a child experiences trauma then they are more likely to recall an event, a lot of what a child experience when they are extremely young isn't very memorable and generally doesn't come under the category of traumatic.
  
  You might define life in one way, another person defines it in another, how one person sees one thing often differs to how another person sees that. You may think abortion ok, but I do not, that is enough for me. There are continuing debates surrounding abortion and where life begins and no one has yet come up with what is actually fact.
  
  My psychology tells me one thing, you think another, that does not change my way of thinking, I may appear to be young but I know what I know, even if you think it is all a load of rubbish, I will not be swayed. To say your opinion is one thing, to attempt to make another think in a similar way about the same thing is another. And you don't appear to be just stating you opinion, you seem to be taking you opinion as fact, whether it is or not is another matter.
  
  From all I can see a lot of this is opinion based and a lot of rubbish really.
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  IP_SEC

  Terry,

  All I know is I want my own gotdam tribe. I demand that you and the rest of you bstards give me 15 bucks a month each, out of your hard earned money so I can fulfill my dream.
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  funkyderek

  Littledreamfaery:

  I have to ask, if someone loses a job through no fault of their own and they have children already then would you say they should have to 'pay' for their not having a job?

  No, they shouldn't have to pay for not having a job. However, they should have to pay for whatever goods and services they use. Having a job makes that a lot easier which is why most people have them. Did you think it was just for fun?

  Because I do not think that a persons life should be put on hold because they are unable to get themself a job due to employers turning them down, or where they are fired from a job due the the employer deciding they can employ a different person for a lower wage, ie a less qualified person.

  Should an employer be compensated if an employee leaves a job because they have decided they can work for someone else for better wages?

  The problem is that a person disability can show up at some points and not at others, problems come and go as I well know. Yes I have a disability, as do several other people I know. Its not always playing up when people are looking, yet when your alone it feels like your in hell because of the pain.

  That's why people invented charity and insurance.

  People should be allowed to have as many children as they wish to without others being critical of how they choose to live their lives,

  I completely agree. As long as the way they choose to live their lives doesn't impact the way I choose to live mine, more power to them!

  why should they be judged because they are unable to provide a decent home and living for their children if they work.

  Question asked, question answered. They should be judged because they are unable to provide a decent home and living for their children.

  It should be said that the problem is with the employer, they are not paying the people are the 'bottom of the pile' enough, they are too willing to cut wages and sack people just because it saves them money.

  It is absurd to pay someone in a low-end job enough wages to feed and house fourteen people. You can't blame employers for not subsidising somebody's rampant reproduction.

  So really the question is why has it come to people who choose to have a larger than normal family resorting to being on benefits instead of in work to keep their family afloat moneywise. Yes I would say that the problem is that too many people are not being paid a decent wage, and the people at the top are being paid too much.

  In reality, everybody is being paid exactly as much as somebody is willing to pay them. Anybody who thinks they are not getting a decent wage is free to find a better wage. Surely all employers can't be indecent? Those who think that the expense of their gambling, drinking or unprotected sex habit entitles them to more than other people will get short shrift from anyone with even the most basic understanding of economics.

  This results in people feeling it is not worth their while to work.

  Awww.

  Maybe you should be making a fuss about that instead, because if there wasn't that problem then people may feel more motivated to work.

  People would feel more motivated to work if the government did not pay them for not working.

  And again on the topic of having children, they say it costs £100,000 to keep a child over a their childhood, if that is true then most people should never have children.

  That's about £5,000 a year, not £100,000 all at once. Most people weigh the costs and benefits of having children and make a decision based on that. If people don't actually incur the costs of having children but still receive all the benefits it makes sense for them to have as many children as possible.

  But as I know it costs a lot less than that.

  Oh? How much do you think it costs?

  I personally don't see why there is so much a fuss being made with regard to this family, considering the amount of government officials there who happen to be earning over £70,000 a year, and basically they aren't worth that in my opinion.

  The key word there is earning. They are earning that money, they went to school, studied hard, and worked their way up. They may be earning more than they're worth if they're employees of a corrupt government. (In a free market, it is impossible for anyone to be earning more money than they are worth.)

  Remember what I say, I'm not to fussed what you say in response, its only your opinion, and mine to me is worth twice as much, this is something you learn when you take a degree in psychology

  Oh dear. In most other subjects - and in life in general - you learn that the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about are worth more than those of people who just spout whatever nonsense pops into their head.

  fifi40:

  The reason that they are in this house is because the previous home burnt down

  More accurately, they burnt it down.

  .................they have not been given it..............it is like a rented home.............except the rent is paid through the government in the form of housing benefit

  Yes, it's like a rented home except they aren't paying the rent, you are!

  .................usually families such as these live on council estates (some of which can be extremely rough, although some are nice).......................

  Why are council estates extremely rough? Is there some inherent roughness or is it because of the people who usually live there? What do you think will be the effect of transferring such people to less rough areas?

  It can get your 'goat' when you are a tax payer knowing that we are supporting some lazy people...............but is probably basically true in what it says in that article that the family are better off claiming benefits than working..............is it their fault the system is in place to facilitate this..............I dont know.................there are plenty over here 'working' the system.

  Clearly the system is at fault. The fact that it's a faulty system does not mean that people who are abusing it are not themselves at fault.

  At the end of the day I dont like to set myself up as judge and jury over people............I do know whilst they are claiming benefit, bar winning the lottery, they are not going to become wealthy..........but the may well be happy.

  I've no problem with them being happy. I have a problem with them being given money that somebody else worked hard for.
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  Littledreamfaery

  Yes a lot of what has been posted has no actual relevance to the topic in general, a lot of what has been put is basically an attempt to tear another person opinion to pieces, I'm not sure thats what I ever knew as a discussion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, to discuss theirs without saying something unpleasant about it is what we usually refer to as mature, not only that it shows you are actually capable of respecting their opinion as well as talking about your own!
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  eclipse

  I think a fetus is a PERSON once their brain starts processing information, however immature that it is...

  This is when the brain waves are detectable in an embryo. http://www.visembryo.com/baby/19.html

  This is 48-51 days past ovulation, or about 35 days past conception...

  if you look at every stage of the embryo, the above site is excellent, I think it is easy to see why people like terry feel that aborting an embryo or young fetus is not murder.

  I believe that an abortion very early on in pregnancy is not murder.

  just my opinion.

  It's all about a person's definition of life.

  I also disagree that memories are the measure of what is a persont..just because we do not remember our babyhood, does not mean we weren't learning, sentient beings.

  Babies learn from before they are born. Their brains start growing rapidly from 12 weeks gestation, (10 weeks from conception) and the embryo is now called a fetus...http://www.visembryo.com/baby/10_weeks.html

  So from what point do we start having thoughts? I do not know, and I do not think anyone knows. they can measure brain activity in an embryo.

  I think fetus's are human and alive, and sentient beings...

  Respectfully, comparing fetus's to a doll, which is an inanimate object, devoid of life and the potential of becoming alive, is illogical.
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  Littledreamfaery

  Oh but I forgot that a lot of you must feel jealous that someone else is getting something that you are not, after all everyone always dreamed of a big multi-bedroomed house did they not.
  
  But to take out all your anger and frustration attacking others with meaningless drivel does no good, at most it makes you feel that much better about yourself and who you are, yes you have a job, so what, everyone pays tax, or hadn't you noticed the tax on the food we eat, the clothes we buy and so on, everyone pays tax.
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  Littledreamfaery

  eclipse
  
  I think you are right there. :)
  
  Faery :P
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  IP_SEC

  an attempt to tear another person opinion to pieces,

  What is wrong with that? Some opinions are more stupid than others. Tear mine down??? I dont care? Why do you?
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  Littledreamfaery

  I can assume Funkyderek that you disagree with everything I have said just about. Oh well, you know just about you disagree with it doesn't mean that it is nonsense, I think if you actually bothered to do some research you might find that it wasn't! I have to say I know it doesn't cost £100 a week to look after one child let alone one family!