by return visitor 24 Replies latest jw friends
Cool.
I've never heard of integral calculus applied to a definition of god. It fits for the sake of this argument though. Newton and/or Leibniz may be rolling in their graves as we speak,....lol
How can the finite comprehend the infinite? (or ultimate/perfect etc), I dunno; there still isn't a proof,......
And this is why you cannot rule out evolution just because the odds are ridiculously long against it. This is what the Creation book does--that book uses non-sequitors to prove that evolution cannot happen. However, when you have an infinite number of chances to get it right, it is going to happen. And all it takes is for one civilization to reach the point of controling the whole cosmos, and they can guide the process along. With an infinite number of chances, it is certain to happen.
Your logic is rather flawed I'm afraid, you are working on the basis of God existing in this universe with its laws of physics and time. If God exists then he must exist "outside" of the universe for God to created it (and with it time) Before the universe there was no time and therefore no infinity of time
ps I know there can be no "outside" of the universe as the universe is everything and I'm an athiest
so at what point in his infinity did god begin creating.
near the beginning or someway into it
just a thought
so at what point in his infinity did god begin creating.
near the beginning or someway into it
just a thought
You're trying to tie things choronilogically to a beginning. By defintion of infinity, you can't do that. You have to pick some arbitrary point of reference in order to come up with a chronolgocial order.
The notions of time and infinity are man-made constructs.
Didn't J. S. Bell say something along the lines of: "Time is just God's way of keeping everything from happening at once..." (?)
The notions of time and infinity are man-made constructs.
I disagree with this, If man did not exist, things would still move from the past toward the future. The fact is that there is a dirrection of time (times arrow) from past to future. And this is directly linked to entropy.
Didn't J. S. Bell say something along the lines of: "Time is just God's way of keeping everything from happening at once..." (?)
Interesting I might add "in the interest of man" since god is omniscient by definition and everything that was and is to be is already within his knowledge ie. everything has "already happened and will continue to happen" as far as he/she/it is concerned. We are only aware of time within our relative scope, such as minutes, days, years. There are existences infintessimally small and large that we perhaps comprehend in theory, both ends of the scale approaching infinity. But as in the analogy to calculus mentioned earlier, we can approach it but never achieve it in reality.
Read this guy's thoughts:
http://www.sissel.cc/blog/2005/12/theory-of-actual-time-vs-man-made.html
Not that I 100% agree with him, but it is just an easy way to further illustrate what we are talking about in this thread.
Here is some Infinity 101:
http://www.trottermath.net/personal/infinity.html
