Coming to terms with your death - immortality options

by Crumpet 35 Replies latest jw experiences

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Dear Crumpet,

    Are you completely clear on the fact that everything you have ever believed in, thought about and pondered, has not given you the peace you seek? If so, and if you are sincerely unwilling to put up with the confusion and lack of relief any longer, it may be time for you to radically change the direction of your quest. Ready?

    Who is it, really, that is concerned with death? Forget everything you think you know, and quietly and nonjudgmentally investigate within. Thoroughly check all the beliefs the mind presents regarding "self", and all the senses the body presents as "self", and see if you can genuinely find yourself in any of it. Such inquiry requires total honesty and an agonizing willingness to discover what is truly real, and what is not...at any cost. Thorough inner investigation can seemingly take moments or years. Don't be concerned with time. What is true??? What are you, really???

    A moment will arise, an awakening to the endless and unconditional purity of that which is closer than all phenominal experience. That, which is untouched by events in time and space. That, which silently bears witness to the universe of things. That, which looks through those eyes right now. Then, you will unequivocally know what you truly are (though the mind will never be able to grasp it), and your concerns will be over.

    Realization of your natural authentic Self, is all you need. It's here always. It just needs to be seen.

    j

  • RichieRich
    RichieRich

    Crumpet, my recent life events have led me to re-evaluate my life views- including those of my mortality.

    You know I'm a sucker for cheesy Latin phrases, and I've got two for you that I happen to be a big fan of.

    Carpe Diem: Seize the day. We've all heard it, but what does it mean? It's not about living each day as your last, but it's about making each day worth the 24 hours it encompasses. For me, I realized that idly letting time go by is not the way I want to live my life. I want to make sure that every night, when my head hits the pillow, that day has my name tattooed on it's ass, and the next day is shaking in fear as it knows it will soon be dealt with similarly. By making the most of things, I think the future won't hold nearly as many surprises, and the surprises it does hold will be easily dealt with as you conquer another day.

    De inimico non loquaris sed cogites : Don't wish ill for your enemy; plan it. Not necessarily encouraging vengeful thinking- but part of conquering each day is also showing people who's boss. Don't worry with wishful thinking- make plans. A drop of determination is worth more than a handful of hope. Set goals, and then knock them over as you run past. There's no need to worry about things. Do things. Leave a long list of accomplishments behind you. That can be your legacy.

    If I remember correctly, we're both Atheists. That means that instead of looking to God, we have to look in a mirror. Be who you want to be. Love yourself. Narcissism isn't a crime. Have faith in you, because in the end, you're all you've got.

    I have more to say, but I'll say it via a more private method. Just know that you mean a lot to a lot of people, and that's about as much as you can ask for.

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    Nina I'd logged off and then just as I was about to exit I saw and read your thread and have t say you have summed up life very truly and poetically.

    Keep on writing - I agree with everyone else - you have a gift -

    How much have you written? I'm sure if you were to put it all together you'd have a book already.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Crumps,

    Sometimes I wax eloquent, but as I am currently on the wane, I have no energy to wax even the floor. Zeugma. I feel so overwhelmed from fatigue at the moment that I cannot give this post the response it deserves. Yet, it doesn't truly matter. The words already devoted to this topic - yours and those of the oh, so eloquent posters - are sufficient to fill my current aesthetic and spiritual needs. And those needs are so much more readily met than in the past, when I was in a continuous state of hunger for fulfillment, love and attachment to those whom I perceived to be my benefactors.
    I have spent a lifetime devoted to art, music, dance, writing, the theatre, my children of the flesh and spirit, my students and to my GOD and that which, for forty years, I was convinced was the Truth, in all its glory and capacity for extending my puny existence throughout eternity. I am and yet I am not. The only certainty for me anymore is love and its manifestation in the NOW - it never fails, though all of the above may and likely will.
    I am no longer concerned so much with the all-consuming passions that have drained me physically, emotionally and mentally. But just as surely as you have created an exquisitely beautiful word-picture at this thread's commencement and will continue to create more - despite the drear of the leaden day - I shall go back to the fine arts and their promulgation, those that propel me into the next day. And the day after ....
    My students know nothing of what I say to you and my other dear ones on JWD. They need me and I them. My eventual non-existense doesn't impinge upon the demands and requests and pleas of the day.
    Didn't I tell you I had nothing to say?

    Love,

    CoCo Le Content

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon

    Bump, how you feeling today Crumpet? :)

  • LearningToFly
    LearningToFly

    Crumpet, you are a beautiful writer!

    For me coming to terms with death has taken me through many stages. The first stage, believing that I was to die some horrible death because I was no longer a believer in what I was taught, just going through the days of life a workaholic but virtually lifeless because there was no hope.

    The next stage was a process, I fell in love with my daughters father, I learned to feel, and see the world around me, and started to embrace all the beautiful things in life I had not seen before. The more I embraced life, the impending doom of death slowly disapeared.

    The next stage sprang upon me again when my partner talked of having children, starting a family. Again the nagging thoughts of my mortality consumed my mind, I found my mind returning to my old way of thinking. How could I plan to bring a child into this world when there was only death before me. I pondered this thought for quite awhile, agonizing over the desire to have a child, and agonized over the old indoctrinated teachings of doom and death I had believed in.

    During that stage after much thinking, I realized that I was still allowing old thoughts and beliefs that I truly had no belief in control me. This angered me, and from that anger I took back my life once again and planned the conception of my child. The planning of having a child was the biggest turning point in my life in coming to terms with my mortality, and the most beautiful experience in knowning that life was meant to live, feeling life within me, and visualizing a long future ahead. I realized that someday I would leave this earth like any other living being, but no longer lived in fear of impending doom. For a long time I embraced this life, raising my daughter, imagining grandchildren one day long ahead in my future.

    Then came another stage, it was the death of my brother. All of a sudden again, those old thoughts returned, where is he, where did he go. I agonized over it, wishing I believed in something. Wishing I believed in a heaven, wishing that perhaps there was a resurection, perhaps reincarnation, thinking to myself has god punished him, is he suffering, or is he at peace. I was in such turmoil in my mind, thinking, what is death, is there a god, would god make him suffer.

    I took off for a day alone, riding my bike along the yukon river, I sat, thought, cried, agonized. It was on this day that I came to a feeling of peace, I sat by the river thinking about who my brother was, what a lovely person he was, and knew at that moment in my heart and soul that he was at peace. I felt peace come over myself sitting there that day, it no longer mattered that I had no definite belief in anything. I intuitively knew that since he was a good person, that if there was a god, god would know this. If there was a place we go to after death, wherever he was, it was a good place. I believed in nothing, but had faith in the goodness of the universe to treat him well, wherever he was.

    From that time on, I have had peace in my soul regarding death and my own mortality. I have faith that whatever becomes of us at death is no longer something to fear, I do not know where I will go, nor does it matter. I simply know, that I am a good person, I will be at peace, and that the universe will take care of me, so I no longer worry about death. I believe this to be so for all.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Learning to fly:

    That was absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing it. I think it is important to point out that your moment of clarity and peace came to you as you were alone in nature.

    That's where I find my greatest sense of peace, oneness and tranquility.

    Open Mind

    ps. Could you do us a small favor and try editing your post with a few paragraph breaks. Just go in and hit some "enter" keys in a few spots. I almost didn't read it because it looks like a brick.

  • BFD
    BFD

    Hi Crumpet,

    I searched and search for this because it is one of the statements you have made here that have stuck with me. I finally found it. It was a reply you made to abbadon...

    Abbaddon - it doesnt worry me at all. If the plane were to go into freefall I dont think i'd bother reaching for my jacket anyway - I think I would just laugh like a maniac and embrace my speedy death with the biggest adrenalin rush. Perhaps I would be frightened, but I dont really cling to life that much. I can take or leave it and if I have to leave it I'd much rather it was in a plane crash (as long as I didnt burn to death whilst conscious) than of old age. Anyway thats handy in case of the unlikely event of a plane crash - you can all have a big party and celebrate that I got my preferred choice of death, rather than commiserate over my passing.

    Please dont take my comments as a death wish or a taking of life for granted. Its simply that I have let go my fear of death. My only fear was that people would forget me when I am dead. Well hey they forget me while I am alive - so there's nothing left for me to be afraid of that I havent already experienced! Just my own personal philosophy.

    I know I will never forget you as long as I am alive and even after I'm gone if it's possible, I will always remember you.

    Thank you, crumpet, for being you!

    Love,

    Will

  • LearningToFly
    LearningToFly

    Oooops.. it is a giant brick. While deep in thought, I just typed and typed..

    Is there a way for me to edit it once its been posted?

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Learning to Fly:

    Yes you can edit YOUR posts. Moderators also have that divine power, but I'm a mere mortal, otherwise I'd offer to do it for you.

    Just put your cursor over the title portion of your post and a drop-down menu of about 4 or 5 commands should appear. Click on Edit. Then the simplest thing is to probably just go into the text and hit your "enter" key a couple times where you want a paragraph break to be.

    I'm sure the eyeballs of those that follow will appreciate your efforts.

    Again, that was a very beautiful post.

    Thanks,

    Open Mind

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