Charity- they don't have any for non-JW's
Let me ADD that they don't even have it for ALL JW's....
Whats Wrong With the JW doctrines
by Lotus65 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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JH
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aniron
thx i mainly need to know if the stuff they said about the trinity was true cause i cant find it in the bible
One of the reasons I became a JW was because they didn't teach the Trinity.
Then over the years I realised that it was in the Bible. If you look for it.
I even had two Elders show me scriptures that proved Jesus was God.
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Siamsa
Imagine if John the Baptist had lost his head a JW wedding in a Kingdumb Hall in Jerusalem !
No more celebrating of weddings......no more meetings.......no more weddings........no more kids.......no more Brooklyn Boyz.
There is no Biblical reason for not celebrating ones birthday regardless of the above argument. If John the Baptist drowned after he baptised Jesus where would the Brooklyn Boyz get their newly washed brothers and sisters?
If he had got run over and killed with a chariot wheel there would be many foot sore person knocking your door after having spent the last year walking from Brooklyn.
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educ8self
They may use the bible in a consistent way, but that is different from interpreting it accurately - whatever that might mean. Remember you got this collection of 66 different books with a bunch of different authors, and even if you accept that they are all inspired what does being inspired mean? You see there are these bigger questions that deserve asking, but if you just say what's wrong or is this true or not you're really limiting your thinking to a very narrow view.
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heathen
I think the main problem is that they are never right about anything and will change their doctrine endlessly while forcing the followers to obey whatever they come up with at whatever time they come up with it . We could look at the 1914 situation as an example , first they went on about the end of the world then it happened invisibly because nothing happened . How do you prove something happened invisibly ? Jesus appointed the WTBTS over the domestics in 1918 , invisibly, and that was after the debacle for conclusion of the system of things in 1914 . This religion comes up with invisibility as a crutch when all else fails .
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Gopher
I actually think JW's are right that the Bible doesn't explicitly teach a Trinity. The Bible is so vague it could be interpreted any number of ways.
Here's a good website to investigate the logic, or lack thereof, in JW doctrine and practice: www.freeminds.org
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Anti-Christ
The same with every other fundamental biblical religion, they use mind tricks to make you believe the bible is the inerrant word of the creator of the universe. Do some research on the bible. Use both sides, believers and non believers.
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AK - Jeff
Let's put it this way; if they have the guts to add a version of the 'Divine Name' over 200 times in the NT portion of the NWT, what would prevent them from a little 'scripture twisting' to make sure that those who read that translation don't believe in the Trinity?
In the long run - do you want a bunch of dishonest Bible scholars [they claim to be] telling you what to believe about God?
I imagine God hates those who alter the Bible. Nuff' said about relationship between them and God.
Jeff
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Lotus65
Let's put it this way; if they have the guts to add a version of the 'Divine Name' over 200 times in the NT portion of the NWT, what would prevent them from a little 'scripture twisting' to make sure that those who read that translation don't believe in the Trinity? That was the exact same reasoning i used to determine that i should try with the KJV bible and it still seems like when u compare the two they say the same thing but im atheist so its not liek i believe in there or any other religion anywhere
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freeme
hi lotus65!
of course when someone wants to teach a doctrine the scripture he uses will fit what he teaches. and in many occasions the doctrine of the jws is accurate or at least can be viewed this way they teach it (theres even quiet quality stuff... like the moral stuff and the doctrines about social interaction and faith which are clearly in the bible). but... theres stuff that is grabbed by the hairs.
have you never wondered about the scripture jumping which is done to make the 1914 doctrine work? how do you know that specific prophecy actually HAS a second fulfillment? how do you know that the "times" in revelation actually are the SAME times? why does the day for a year "rule" apply here?! why not on other occasions? How comes that the society teaches jerusalem came down in 607 BC? when the scripture and science work together when its 587? where in the bible does it tell us to CALCULATE dates at all?! even an annointed one i knew when i was a kid said that she thinks all this calculating is completely false. and in the end... why didnt happen anything in 1914? oh it was christs 2nd coming was invisible? EVERY other prophecy from the wts failed because it was supposed to be visible and nothing happened. so whats about 1914? it was supposed to be visible too. but nothing happened. now its invisible... what are the chances that THIS one is true? very, very, very small...
so many things are incredibly unsure on this doctrine but its one of the most important if not THE most important doctrine of all. if this isnt true the "slave" isnt the chosen one. we even might not living in the endtime. there might be much more to come. maybe this prophecy and others do mean something else? its incredible what possibilities you see when you read the context and put your JW glasses down.
as long as you dont read the bible, but jw literature and listening to jw talks with the bible as an addon to justify something it cant be the right way. the bible itself tells us to examine the scriptures. are we bible students? no, we arent. we sacrficed this long ago for complete enforced unity. and the bible doesnt say that "unity" means that noone is allowed to think and/or studying/reading the bible on his own (in fact its only allowed for the gb to do this). the bible is powerful... we as jws had put human literature on top of this. we literally believed that noone can get anything from the bible, gods word, at all without human aid. we trusted those humans so much that we even allowed them to make up new rules like the pharisees did. jesus made it very clear how he views such stuff. a detailed plan on which blood fracture is ok and which is not. a minimum of 10h service a month or youre spiritually "weak". put in a monthly service report. detailed orders how to punish the sinner on what sin. skirt length, which music is appopriate... and much much more stuff. you name it.
jehovah says: "mine is the revenge". jesus didnt shunned the woman who had leprosy and violated the law because she came to him within the crowd. he blessed her.
somethings wrong with the organization on so many levels. i cant act like a perfect jw seeing all this. even if i liked to... i cant. i feel like a criminal doing it.
freeme