Islamic Sharia law, Gods law or just barbaric law

by barry 21 Replies latest jw friends

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  barry

  Merry you are very brave comming here and I beleive you are a very likeable person reguardless of our differences. May I say I had a muslim friend I also had great affection for.

  Abaddin I thank you for youre posts and have to agree with you in many areas. One point you said on youre first post here is something like you can see Islam and christianity as different in nature if you like but I would like to see you dismiss the points of similarity with our own society.

  In this area I would like to point out that the attitude I get from many muslim people and from a thread earlier by Merry that there is no negotiation with the Islamic law of god what is written in the Quran.

  The new testament is different my muslim friend who read the new testament made the comment ' its only a book of stories'. Islam tells me what to do in all situations . When to go to war, what punishments to administer, how to worship.

  The position of the new testament in reguard to the law is that it is nailed to the cross of christ.Galations3-23 says Before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed . so the law was put in charge of us to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Galations 4 sSays What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a child , he is no different from a slave although he owns the whole estate. He is subject to guardians and trustees until the time set by his father. so also when we were children we were in slavery under the basic principles of the world. But when the time had fully come God sent his Son born of a women born under the law to redeem those under the law that we might receive the full rights as sons.

  Abaddon you used the ilistration of slavery to the Islamics law but there are many other examples of a change from the rule of the law in the new testament.m just trying to say here with the new testament there is a way out so the death penality for not wearing tassels or even the punishment stoning someone just doesnt exist for christians as when the women who commited adultry and was brought to jesus found.

  Merry are the punishments written in the quran still directly from gabriel and given to the prophet still valid. Other writings about the sharia law may informative but are these barbaric laws valid and if they are we have a problem. While the christian world has developed the Muslim will find it much harder or impossible to change because of their very rigid super fundamentalist position. Barry
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  Abaddon

  barry

  Thanks for getting back to the thread.

  In this area I would like to point out that the attitude I get from many muslim people and from a thread earlier by Merry that there is no negotiation with the Islamic law of god what is written in the Quran.

  And this is another point of similarity with Christian beiefs; at least with the beliefs of some Christians today, and definately with Christian beliefs viewed a few hundred years ago.

  And there are some Muslims today who approach the Qu'ran in the same way as modern Christians approach the Bible.

  Proper literary criticism of the Bible did not start until the late 18th Century. It's taken over two hundred years for our culture to get close to disengaging from slavish literalism. Islam has barely even started the process. Those Muslims today who do not take the Bible literally are in the same position as those Christians with the self same attitude to the Bible in the early 1800's. A persecuted minority. Another two hundred years previously Christians barbequed other Christians who didn't believe exactly the same as them.

  But we fortunately do not have to wait 200 years for Islam to catch up. Just as the place of women in society in Western culture changed, not because of men giving women rights, but because of women taking them, and because women had to become economically active to sustain development, so to will the place of women change in the Islamic world - even if some Western converts don't help the process by accepting the traditional roles assigned to them by male written tradition and law.

  Given a choice between economic stagnation and making women economically active, greed will win out, and once women start earning like men very rapidly will expect to be treated like men. Even if their men tell them god wants them to be sweet and sumissive - just as Christian men did and Islamisc men do.

  Whether or not Jesus removed us from the Mosaic arrangement has nothing to do with changes in Christian society these past two hundred years, and even if Jesus did remove us from the Mosaic arrangement, Christians were following many restrictive laws and customs based upon their beliefs two hundred years ago that they generally no longer follow. Christian countries administered brutal and brutish punishments and some still do.

  All of this changed due to secularism, not reexamination of the New Testament by religious authorities and them insisting on an end to slavery, captial punishment and institutionalised misogyny.

  the Muslim will find it much harder or impossible to change because of their very rigid super fundamentalist position

  But that is the attitude the Christian world used to have Barry. It would seem you approach this from a presuppositon that there is a difference in the degree of 'god inspiration' between the Bible and the Qua'ran. Such sectarian favouritism cannot be justified to secular people; we see no difference between the two as far as 'truth' goes.