The Way To Love (page 2)

RAF

Yeah I guess than from seing someone suffering or in need for instance, we have the hability to feel for ... I guess we skip that regarding a lot ... (out of real inhability to help) there must be lots of "REASONS" related to ourselves (ego which lead the feelings) and since its about to feel. Somehow it's about to realiase what disconnect us from some others (WHY?).
That's somehow also what the bible is saying in its own way (kill your body/material side/vanity-Ego to be able to be spiritual which allow to be more loving in fact)

my thanks as well, james thomas. and may i extend thanks
for many, many other posts you have made.

for some time now, i have continued to project, to believe
in my reality regarding a woman who chooses not to love me
as she used to...words of wisdom like de mello"s are most
welcome.

matt

darth frosty

Gonna have to check it out.

educ8self

I believe it has been said that all the various ways people cling to their objects of desire is essentially confused love. They even call it love, like the desire for the next cool widget that is expected to bring fulfillment, or THE person (or their idea of them) for a great relationship - but of course it doesn't, not lasting fulfillment anyway. The description here brings to mind words like intimacy, tenderness, (Neelam) and vulnerability. Now at this point we might start to lose our more masculine audience if they had decided to read this thread, so let me point out that the quote of gladiators "those about to die salute you" symbolizes entering the arena of love. Just the other day I heard the quote by Jami: "only love can free you from yourself." Looked at it another way, we can say the only thing keeping you from the freedom of love is yourself.

lonelysheep

Thanks, James.

It sucks to see someone and love them, yet they leave anyway. Goodnight.

changeling

Thanks, I;ll look into that one.

Madame Quixote

Thank you very much, JT.

BFD

Thanks, JamesThomas.

Another challenging and thought provoking post. Looks like a good book.

It's late and so I'll just sleep on this one and see what happens.

Sweet dreams.

BFD

JamesThomas

For those new ones on the thread, you're welcome. Glad you see something here in Anthony's words.

He was a psychotherapist and Catholic Jesuit priest. Later in life he awoke to his true nature and that of all life. The Catholic Church disowned him and called his words "harmful". And what they said was true. Anthony's words of profound honesty and freedom from all mind constructed belief systems is indeed harmful to organized religious dogma. When you awaken to Reality, you are the last person religion wants hanging around.

RAF:

Yeah I guess than from seing someone suffering or in need for instance, we have the hability to feel for ... I guess we skip that regarding a lot ... (out of real inhability to help) there must be lots of "REASONS" related to ourselves (ego which lead the feelings) and since its about to feel. Somehow it's about to realiase what disconnect us from some others (WHY?).

The ego is nothing but a disconnect to all life. It is a complex mental construct that we come to identify as our actual "self", an identity seemingly very separate and apart from all else. This allows us to turn our back and close our eyes on others and the planet. Not so easy when we awaken to the fact that all suffering, is our own suffering. Awaking is not some numbed out koom-by-ya land. It is a naked meeting with reality as your own being. That said, there is deeper than all phenomena turmoil, the foundational witnessing consciousness of peace and wholeness which remains pristine, no matter.

Franzy:

my thanks as well, james thomas. and may i extend thanks
for many, many other posts you have made.

for some time now, i have continued to project, to believe
in my reality regarding a woman who chooses not to love me
as she used to...words of wisdom like de mello"s are most
welcome.

Thank you for the kind comments. Yes, relationships are perhaps the most intense opportunity to witness the mind as it weaves a story around our beloved. We come to see the story as fact, when it's no more real than thoughts of a tree, are a real tree.

I find it most helpful to step out of the mind and remain with the breath, senses of the body, and listening, and so then being very present around other people. This way we do not see them through filters of a story about them. We instead witness the life that truly is what they are and what we are. However, I'll warn you that most people are not comfortable with a person who is silently present and only speaks when necessary. People want, or better said: the ego wants others to actively support its story and drama. Silent presence does not support the ego's story, but rather clearly sees the fallacy of it, and so pays it little or no heed. Presence, is concerned with Reality, not fallacy....except for entertainment reasons.

educ8self:

I believe it has been said that all the various ways people cling to their objects of desire is essentially confused love. They even call it love, like the desire for the next cool widget that is expected to bring fulfillment, or THE person (or their idea of them) for a great relationship - but of course it doesn't, not lasting fulfillment anyway. The description here brings to mind words like intimacy, tenderness, (Neelam) and vulnerability. Now at this point we might start to lose our more masculine audience if they had decided to read this thread, so let me point out that the quote of gladiators "those about to die salute you" symbolizes entering the arena of love. Just the other day I heard the quote by Jami: "only love can free you from yourself." Looked at it another way, we can say the only thing keeping you from the freedom of love is yourself.

Thanks for your pertinent additions to this thread. I enjoyed them. I would only add that our true Self, is Love itself, as it has no "other" to hate. It is the false "self" that feels itself a separate and broken entity, hungry, fearful, and in need, that blinds consciousness to the truth of its freedom, purity and wholeness. This is why thorough inner-investigation into self and being is so very, very important. We are, the peace that we seek right now. It just needs to be seen.

Lonelysheep, Anthony's book may help you. It's a little pocket book that is only a couple bucks used. I wish you peace, dear.

j

quietlyleaving

thanks James - I now have myself a copy

The Way To Love

RAF

franzy