Why do JW apologists always have to lie???

by drew sagan 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan
    Well, from reading that comment he certainly comes off as a dub, but nowhere does he expressly say he isn't.

    True, but the persons starts off by saying 'in my experience...". In truth it is really should read 'in my experience as a JW'.

    They leave out any connection between them and the Watchtower. There is simply no way that all of the conclusions this person came to is independent from being JW. These types of buzzwords and ideas only come forth from a dedicated member.

    This is usually their style. They leave out anything that identifies them as JW. They know the moment they say they are JW they may be called out on something, so instead they pretend to be an observer who has just 'noticed things'.

    It is just so common among JWs on the net.

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Actually I know quite a few that would probably stand-up for witnesses and aren't witnesses themselves. My grandma would be one, as would a couple of other family memembers. I also went to school with a guy who's mother was a JW and he defended them quite adamantly while never being associated with them himself.

    I guess I would need more examples to really see what you are saying, but your initial generalization I haven't really seen first hand myself. I guess I don't understand what the advantage would be to "pretend" to be a non-witness.

  • besty
    besty

    good point drew - could it be another manifestation of cognitive dissonance?

    JW Brain - I shouldn't be taking part in this Internet debate. Didn't the recent QB in the Sep KM tell us not to defend the WT online?

    Normal Brain - Thats all very well - but this person needs to know the truth.

    JW Brain - Owwwch - you're making my head hurt - hang on how about...

    Both Brains Together - we go online and pretend not to be a JW and talk in the 3rd party. Gives a good witness and we're not disobeying the Society. Great idea....

    JW Brain - phew that headache has gone away...seem to be getting more of them lately!

  • Terry
    Terry

    When you give up your own mind and have an artificial "hive mind" implanted in its place you do the bidding of the hive without conscience, integrity or rational consideration.

    JW's all believe and act the same way worldwide for a good reason: Borg implants!

    Embracing hive identity is admitting there exist no INDIVIDUALS within Jehovah's matrix.

    That should send a shiver rather than being worn as a badge of "honor".

  • dobbie
    dobbie

    Sometimes its obvious that they are jws from the terms that they use, i look at forums a lot and also there are quite a few ex jws who defend them (obviously the ones who aren't being shunned by family lol). But something i've seen are those that say they are jws but they get really aggressive to the non jw or ex jws, and start hurling insults about at them and making personal comments!Meanwhile the ex jws stay calm, so it actually backfires on the jws cos they just make themselve look bad by acting like that.

  • the dreamer dreaming
    the dreamer dreaming

    as an aside-- yes JWs the world over give the very same answer to the same questions...

    but ask the individual JW what that answer MEANS and you will get as many answers as JWs you ask.

    the BORG has made a good job of superficial agreement, but the hive mind only penetrates the surface.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw
    Theocratic warfare

    I got to admit it is embarrassing to watch and listen to them lie especially using the lie by omission stunt. But they are allowed to do pursuant to this doctrine.

    And I always have to remember I am dealing with a person who has been rote trained that I and others like me are evil dudes and I am dealing with a person who will lose God if he/she quits believing in the organization. Thus, anything goes at all cost to keep from losing God.

    hawk

  • mcsemike
    mcsemike

    Like others said, I try to analyze why the person is there. Some of them can be helped. We all had a first time when we heard of Freeminds. But if they argue or play games, I remind them that they don't belong here and to save their preaching for the car group. Some JW's are just a huge waste of bandwidth.

  • justhuman
    justhuman

    Because JW's are afraid of many things. Since they are a cult, that most of the people attack for many reasons(blood issue, military service)they are trying to show that they are just like the rest of the people. I recall doing this my self, when I was in another town for work and near by they were some JW's doing street work, when a priest came along and argue with them, I pretend that I wasn't a JW, and talked with him...

    The trap that JW's use is unity. Most of the people they know more about their favored football team, acteur, or a pop star, than their religion. JW's they when they speak to someone at the door(a catholic)they think that the person represents the catholic religion. So the person falls into the trap easily, when seeing the unity that JW's supposed they have.

    Satanus wrote:


    Jws love to attack that 'big, fat harlot', the catholic church. They don't realise that, if it weren't for the roman catholic church, christianity wouldn't exist, except perhaps as a finge cult of jesus followers. It was the rc that took it from a small fringe of jewish jesus followers and propagated it across the its empire, starting w europe. Talk about chopping the tree from which your branch grew!

    S


    I agree in some points with this. But the Orthodox Church is the one that gave the Biblical cannon, at the forth century. The New Testament was written in Greek, and the Gospel was preached in Greek language. The schisma of the early Church(Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, the actual name of the Orthodox Church) ended in the 10th century A.D(it started from the 6th)The basic reason was political games, that lead the West part (Rome)of the Romanian Church to separate from the East(Byzantine)

    Then the basic problem for many heretic ideas that were introduced in the Roman Catholic Church was LANGUAGE. Greek is the most wealthy and beautiful language in the world. So when they started translated the Bible into Latin, in the translation proccess, some meanings changed. As a result it lead the Papal Church to adopt heretic ideas. The basic are:

    1.Filioque. The Source of The Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son. When actually the only source is the Father.

    2. Hell. A burning place for the sinners.

    3. Pope is infallible

    The rest is history. The protestand movement began, when they brake from the Papal Church, and now we had so many protestand dominations. Every one claims that they follow the Bible that is Gods Word, but they ignore one basic thing:

    The Bible that they hold and they claim to follow, was given by the Greek Orthodox Church...It was written in Greek language, and the Early Church Fathers, that even the Papal Church accepts, set the Biblical Cannon, and the Christian Dogma. The basic idea that most of the Protestands hold is that the Church after the Apostles turn to apostasy. BUT THEY ACCEPT A BIBLE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE WORLD BY APOSTATES!!! Doesn't make sense at all.

    The Bible came FROM the Church. And is not the ONLY Book that show us Christianity. They are many other writtings, from Bishops of the Church, even from the early years that show us the structure of the Early Apostolic Church, and NOTHING has changed for the last 2000 years.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Theocratic Warfare Jehovah's Witnesses

    http://www.topix.net/forum/who/jehovahs-witnesses/TOKN3M1D13OQJ7FSI go here and read/add your comment Watchtower doctrinal 'THEOCRATIC WARFARE ' being practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses
    THEOCRATIC WARFARE PROPAGANDA (lying)

    We see the Jehovah's Witnesses apologist Watchtower cult defender TROLLS everywhere on the net,playing the sham passive/aggressive 'good cop bad cop' game.

    This is not a game you trolls are complete predatory psychopaths to keep on lying even when you have been already made

    You say your atheist

    You say your agnostic

    You say your not JW

    You say your EXJW

    You say your Catholic or Lutheran but defend the Watchtower

    Jesus said that "whoever lies makes satan his father"

    How the general population perceives this::
    gangster dramas like the Godfather are hits because people admire "honest crooks" who are out to just make a living with the black market.

    Yet,everybody HATES a phony Bible thumping sleazeball

    Jehovah's Witnesses & Theocratic Warfare: Why Jehovah's Witnesses Lie In Court" by Dr. Jerry Bergman Phd (available at Amazon) is an interesting study about how a professed-christian Religion is able to extract sufficient reasoning from the Bible so as to teach its membership that "lying" is not only permissible, but required under certain circumstances.

    As the title suggests, the Watchtower Society teaches Jehovah's Witnesses that it is their duty to "lie in court", such as when it is necessary to protect the reputation of the Cult's leadership, or to prevent non-cult parents from gaining child custody from a spouse who has joined the JW Cult, etc.

    As the author points out, Watchtower doctrine basically teaches Jehovah's Witnesses that the Bible says it is permissible to lie to "any person who is not entitled to know the truth". This "slippery slope" basically empowers every JW to lie to anyone, at any time, for any reason.
    In time of war this is known as disinformation or propaganda,but is it proper for the 'true' religion to LIE to advance it's agenda?

    ******

    Watchtower calls their protocol of lying,"Theocratic warfare".
    Moonies call their protocol of lying,"Heavenly deception".How this rings and resonates the same and it is scary.

    I would estimate much of the time when a JW comes in behind me on a secular news forum to revile/reply they outright deny LIE that they are Jehovah's Witness members.

    Some other times they will actually pretend to be of another religion example:"I am a catholic,but I wish i had the courage to be a Jehovah's Witness"

    I was truly amazed that the Moonies call their deceptive protocol of lying:"heavenly deception".How this rings and resonates so closely with the Watchtower's;"theocratic warfare".

    MOONIES "HEAVENLY DECEPTION" WATCHTOWER "THEOCRATIC WARFARE"

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