Man not supposed to live forever.

by searcher 33 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • eclipse
    eclipse

    Searcher, I respectfully disagree.

    It was the tree of good and bad they were forbidden to eat from, not the tree of life.

    2 seperate and distinct trees.

    the tree of life they were not forbidden to eat from.

    Genesis 2:9, 16, 17

    9 Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food;

    the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,

    and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;

    17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

  • searcher
    searcher

    So man was intended to live forever, as long as he kept eating the fruit, but not intended to have the knowledge of the choice between good and evil?

  • eclipse
    eclipse

    Like others have said, it was for an indefinite time, which does not mean forever, just an unknown time frame.

    I think, and this is just conjecture, that perhaps man would of had the chance to eat from the fruit when they were more mature and able to know good and bad

    or it could of been just a test for them for their lifetime to test their obedience, (which is sick if you ask me).

    I believe that this story is just that, a story, it is allegory, nothing more....

  • PEC
    PEC

    That bastard is always testing us and we always fail. We are in his image; so, he would fail the test also.

    Philip

  • searcher
    searcher

    It is interesting that. although verse 2:16 says From any tree of the garden you may eat freely, verse 3:22 makes it clear that man had not already done so and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat.

    Live forever in return for not having the knowledge of choice?

    live to time indefinite is from the NWT, RSV says live forever, interesting that the WT changed that.

  • eclipse
    eclipse

    I see what you are saying searcher...

    Man ate from the tree of knowledge and then god blocked him from eating from the tree of life

    there are two scenerios that I think are possible:

    1) That they had never tried the tree of life. (They ate from the tree of knowledge first, doh!)

    2) That they ate regularily from the tree of life, and it helped sustain their life. so eating from it on a continuous basis is what helped them live forever or indefinitely. Thereby god prevented them from taking of it, either for the first time, or ever again.

  • searcher
    searcher

    there are two scenerios that I think are possible:

    1) That they had never tried the tree of life. (They ate from the tree of knowledge first, doh!)

    2) That they ate regularily from the tree of life, and it helped sustain their life. so eating from it on a continuous basis is what helped them live forever or indefinitely. Thereby god prevented them from taking of it, either for the first time, or ever again.

    That is how I see it.

    If scenario 1, then man was not intended to live forever, if 2, then man was held prisoner in the garden, needing to eat from the tree on a regular basis to sustain life, so it seems to me that the knowledge of choice was the 'payoff' for sustaining life.

    It seems strange that any god would create a being that has no knowledge of choice, might as well build a robot.

  • eclipse
    eclipse
    if 2, then man was held prisoner in the garden, needing to eat from the tree on a regular basis to sustain life, so it seems to me that the knowledge of choice was the 'payoff' for sustaining life.

    It seems strange that any god would create a being that has no knowledge of choice, might as well build a robot.

    I concur!

    That is why I refuse to believe that this could possibly be true.

  • searcher
    searcher

    The bible mentions nothing about animals not having choice, only man was forbidden to eat from the tree of knowledge of choice.

    Animals DO have a choice, for example, two animals meeting for the first time have the choice of the three F's, Fight, Flee or F.......well, you can guess that one

    One of them, Fight is 'evil', so animals, in a sense, have the knowledge of good and evil.

    Funny how animals rate higher than man.

  • Justahuman24
    Justahuman24

    M.J.

    the fact that they were to die in the "same day" is a matter of debate/interpretation. You know that the Bible says that with God a day is like a thousand years. So God could've very well meant 1,000 years and since Adam and Eve both lived less than 1,000 in God's eyes they did die "on the same day" they ate from the tree. The way I see this is like this: Yes, Adam and Eve were created perfect or sinless however you want to call it. That's made known to us in the Bible by Paul. Obviously, God required Adam's and Eve's obedience to prove they were worthy of being his creatures forever. Now, whether they had knowledge of the "tree of life" prior to God mentioning it, we can't be sure and we also can't be sure whether they ate of it but that's contingent upon them knowing about its existence. We know that as long as they were sinless, they were not to die. They may not have been given eternal life at the time of creation but there was nothing or no one that could kill them. Take Jesus for example. He was perfect and sinless. Had he not been killed, he would've never died since he wasn't affected by sickness and death like we all are. But it doesn't mean he couldn't have been killed. And we know he was. But Adam and Eve were alone and nothing threatened their existence. If Satan had decided to kill them, God could've well intervened or given them their life back because they died without sinning or without it being their fault.

    Anyway, like I said, there's no hint in the Bible that they knew of the tree of life prior to God mentioning it. God only told them to "eat from every tree in the Garden" and forbade them to eat from just one. Just because the "tree of life" was in the Garden, doesn't mean they ate from it. There were many other trees. Gen. 3:9 says: Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree desirable to one’s sight and good for food and also the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Notice that after mentioning "every tree... good for food", the Bible says AND "also the tree of life... and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad." It could be understood as the last two trees not being for food and God only told Adam about the "tree of knowledge of good and bad". So again, Adam and Eve probably didn't know about the tree of life. Whether they ate from it without their knowledge of it being "the tree of life" had no bearing on their continue living. They didn't need it to keep living since they were sinless and only needed food to sustain them. In other words, the "tree of life" was not a life-sustaining tree. It probably was there just as a tangible and physical sign/proof/evidence that once God thought Adam and Eve had proven faithful and obedient, he would tell them about it and tell them to eat. Again, it probably had no "magic powers" but if Adam and Eve ate from it at God's command and believed they would live forever because they ate from the tree, and then it showed faith on their part. The "tree of knowledge of good and bad" had no magical powers either. It didn't take away their perfection or sin. It was the ACT of them disobeying God that brought their demise, not the tree itself.

    Justahuman - but super nonetheless

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