Man not supposed to live forever.

by searcher 33 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Justahuman24
    Justahuman24

    M.J.

    the fact that they were to die in the "same day" is a matter of debate/interpretation. You know that the Bible says that with God a day is like a thousand years. So God could've very well meant 1,000 years and since Adam and Eve both lived less than 1,000 in God's eyes they did die "on the same day" they ate from the tree. The way I see this is like this: Yes, Adam and Eve were created perfect or sinless however you want to call it. That's made known to us in the Bible by Paul. Obviously, God required Adam's and Eve's obedience to prove they were worthy of being his creatures forever. Now, whether they had knowledge of the "tree of life" prior to God mentioning it, we can't be sure and we also can't be sure whether they ate of it but that's contingent upon them knowing about its existence. We know that as long as they were sinless, they were not to die. They may not have been given eternal life at the time of creation but there was nothing or no one that could kill them. Take Jesus for example. He was perfect and sinless. Had he not been killed, he would've never died since he wasn't affected by sickness and death like we all are. But it doesn't mean he couldn't have been killed. And we know he was. But Adam and Eve were alone and nothing threatened their existence. If Satan had decided to kill them, God could've well intervened or given them their life back because they died without sinning or without it being their fault.

    Anyway, like I said, there's no hint in the Bible that they knew of the tree of life prior to God mentioning it. God only told them to "eat from every tree in the Garden" and forbade them to eat from just one. Just because the "tree of life" was in the Garden, doesn't mean they ate from it. There were many other trees. Gen. 3:9 says: Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree desirable to one’s sight and good for food and also the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Notice that after mentioning "every tree... good for food", the Bible says AND "also the tree of life... and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad." It could be understood as the last two trees not being for food and God only told Adam about the "tree of knowledge of good and bad". So again, Adam and Eve probably didn't know about the tree of life. Whether they ate from it without their knowledge of it being "the tree of life" had no bearing on their continue living. They didn't need it to keep living since they were sinless and only needed food to sustain them. In other words, the "tree of life" was not a life-sustaining tree. It probably was there just as a tangible and physical sign/proof/evidence that once God thought Adam and Eve had proven faithful and obedient, he would tell them about it and tell them to eat. Again, it probably had no "magic powers" but if Adam and Eve ate from it at God's command and believed they would live forever because they ate from the tree, and then it showed faith on their part. The "tree of knowledge of good and bad" had no magical powers either. It didn't take away their perfection or sin. It was the ACT of them disobeying God that brought their demise, not the tree itself.

    Justahuman - but super nonetheless

  • searcher
    searcher
    a matter of debate/interpretation
    So God could've very well meant
    Obviously
    It could be understood
    It probably
    it probably had no "magic powers"

    You don't sound too sure.

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07
    In other words, the "tree of life" was not a life-sustaining tree. It probably was there just as a tangible and physical sign/proof/evidence that once God thought Adam and Eve had proven faithful and obedient, he would tell them about it and tell them to eat. Again, it probably had no "magic powers"

    God to Adam and Eve after they had sinned:

    22 "Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken." (ESV)

    -My point being that they must have known about the tree and what it would do, otherwise God would not have had to say the above and have this sense of urgency about kicking them out before they'd be able to eat from it.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    Justahuman: "the fact that they were to die in the "same day" is a matter of debate/interpretation. You know that the Bible says that with God a day is like a thousand years. So God could've very well meant 1,000 years and since Adam and Eve both lived less than 1,000 in God's eyes they did die "on the same day" they ate from the tree. The way I see this is like this: Yes, Adam and Eve were created perfect or sinless however you want to call it."


    Genesis 3:5 is reported in this manner:
    "For God knows that IN THE DAY YOU EAT FROM IT your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

    What happened IMMEDIATELY after the fruit was eaten?
    Genesis 3:7 says, "Then THE EYES OF BOTH OF THEM WERE OPENED..."

    What about Genesis 2:17?
    "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for IN THE DAY THAT YOU EAT FROM IT you will surely die."

    Now all of a sudden "In the day" doesn't mean right away, but like 900 years later?

    Another way this is resolved is that death means separation from God. As soon as Adam and Eve had disobeyed, they were separated from God by sin.

  • sweetface2233
    sweetface2233

    Someone has been spreading lies about people being able to live forever!!!! I wonder who?

    I love when I read a comment and start laughing obnoxiously enough that my cat stops bathing and looks at me like I'm bothering her bliss.

  • TheGreyGuardsman
    TheGreyGuardsman

    You people,who give up on God, the bible, or Christianity never took the basic first steps , never proved God to yourselves never proved the bible and never put faith in God, you put faith in an organization, and in man,you never really were Christian your faith was based on an organization and when you realised it was false and the dates and other crap folded you did also, in Jesus day they realised that Christ had began ruling then, the devil was cast down then,and what took place form that time through now shows it, and it is accelerating, whether we die now or not it is already done,and life is not this flesh it is what adam would have gotten if he ate of that tree, and it is what those who live as o Go and not man now ,faithfully will get the "144,000", recreation as part of the new creation, not fleshly not angelic, but a new creation, they shall put on incorruptability. You all, most of whom i believe will come back and with those others who have been decieved by Satans discrediting tactic and who haven't conquered in this world will live on earth to be brought to the right condition, then will be tested again, when all is done some wil remain, and they will be lead to trees of life and will also put on incorruptability and be part of that new creation, and the creative days shall resume with earth and the works in it being discovered, and Jehovah being reconcile with man and all being part of the heavenly family (hey im not too dogmatic an im not a nut, but im not superselective in my isolation of what Christian is, hat we were created in undeniable you cannot get life from nonlife, Jehovah God is the source of all energy and life Christ is his spokesman to all creation and the means he(the great endless unlimited power source) used to create everything,indiviual representative embodiement of God the source, the "avatar" as he was before he sacrificed himself, he isn't Micheal, and he has been made Master and Mediator to us all only him, no man or heirarchical organization or anything which reflects the governmental ruling system under the control of Satan,(Satans invisible organization being Babylon The Great)The Holy Spirit is Gods Breath,and The Bible is something you cant have handed everything 100percent to yourselves you have to get off your lazy butts and exegesis with it. Because you submit not to man, but to God and Christ. Giving Up on God Is you submitting and being beaten by, everything you hate, stupid high an mighty religious people as you may see it (who themselves are decieved)Authoritarian Organizations, And people who use the bible to control others, they shame the name of God when they beat down the weak and allow it to happen, all in the name of submitting to an organization (idolatry and the tactic Satan used to assualt truth from being fully grasped at the hands of Rutherfords takeover resulting is wicked legalism and not being fuly recovered from to date) rather than Christ.

  • Justahuman24
    Justahuman24

    Awakened07,

    They didn't have to know. Satan probably would've told them to eat from the tree of life so they wouldn't die.

    Justahuman - but super nonetheless

  • eclipse
    eclipse
    You people,who give up on God, the bible, or Christianity never took the basic first steps , never proved God to yourselves never proved the bible and never put faith in God, you put faith in an organization, and in man,you never really were Christian your faith was based on an organization and when you realised it was false and the dates and other crap folded you did also, in Jesus day they realised that Christ had began ruling then, the devil was cast down then,and what took place form that time through now shows it, and it is accelerating, whether we die now or not it is already done,and life is not this flesh it is what adam would have gotten if he ate of that tree, and it is what those who live as o Go and not man now ,faithfully will get the "144,000", recreation as part of the new creation, not fleshly not angelic, but a new creation, they shall put on incorruptability.

    one sentence.

    You all, most of whom i believe will come back and with those others who have been decieved by Satans discrediting tactic and who haven't conquered in this world will live on earth to be brought to the right condition, then will be tested again, when all is done some wil remain, and they will be lead to trees of life and will also put on incorruptability and be part of that new creation, and the creative days shall resume with earth and the works in it being discovered, and Jehovah being reconcile with man and all being part of the heavenly family (hey im not too dogmatic an im not a nut, but im not superselective in my isolation of what Christian is, hat we were created in undeniable you cannot get life from nonlife, Jehovah God is the source of all energy and life Christ is his spokesman to all creation and the means he(the great endless unlimited power source) used to create everything,indiviual representative embodiement of God the source, the "avatar" as he was before he sacrificed himself, he isn't Micheal, and he has been made Master and Mediator to us all only him, no man or heirarchical organization or anything which reflects the governmental ruling system under the control of Satan,(Satans invisible organization being Babylon The Great)The Holy Spirit is Gods Breath,and The Bible is something you cant have handed everything 100percent to yourselves you have to get off your lazy butts and exegesis with it.

    two sentences.

    Because you submit not to man, but to God and Christ. Giving Up on God Is you submitting and being beaten by, everything you hate, stupid high an mighty religious people as you may see it (who themselves are decieved)Authoritarian Organizations, And people who use the bible to control others, they shame the name of God when they beat down the weak and allow it to happen, all in the name of submitting to an organization (idolatry and the tactic Satan used to assualt truth from being fully grasped at the hands of Rutherfords takeover resulting is wicked legalism and not being fuly recovered from to date) rather than Christ.

    Third sentence.

    First of all, you make alot of assumptions about people here.

    People that you do not know personally.

    Secondly, if you were to put your thoughts, (which are valid and important just like everyone else's), in an easier format to read,

    we could better understand the point you are making.

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07
    Awakened07,

    They didn't have to know. Satan probably would've told them to eat from the tree of life so they wouldn't die.

    If so, then this tree indeed did have magical powers, if God would have been powerless to do anything about it. Because if Satan would have had to tell them about it, it means Adam and Eve hadn't been promised anything regarding the Tree of life, and didn't know about it - so why would God then have to comply?

    Also - they had now sinned and were not fit to live in the paradise of Eden. So they would have been thrown out eventually anyway. But it seems there was a sense of urgency about throwing them out before they could eat from the fruit though, not "before Satan can tell them about the fruit". If what you say is the way it would have happened, God could have waited, and thrown them out just after Satan had told them about the fruit.

  • golf2
    golf2

    Folks, when you've played as many manicured golf courses as I have, you would want to live forever !!!!!!


    Golf

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