Thou Art GOD

by the dreamer dreaming 26 Replies latest jw experiences

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  the dreamer dreaming

  This is related to the concept of freewill-- I believe we are always doing exactly what the true

  nature of reality dictates. people as if you are not free, who is pulling your strings, the answer is no one. I am reality, but I did not make myself and so I had no hand in my true nature and thus no say in why it does what it does. I discover what I like and how much I like it and I dont chose it. When my desires clash, the one that wins is no more my choice than the one that lost, which is still my desire as well.

  Knowing that I am GOD means having no one to blame. nothing to regret nor be afraid of either.... maintaining that GOD understanding is sometimes a challenge.
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  poppers

  "maintaining that GOD understanding is sometimes a challenge."
  
  Yes, but only to the one that APPEARS to VIEW it as a challenge. Either with or without that challenge, you ARE. There is no escaping that, and there can be no denial of that.
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  AlphaOmega

  Similarly, when we see traits in others that we do not like; it does us well to remember that they are us.

  Hence we are simply seeing a magnified aspect of our own personality.

  Then we realise that as the source of the dream, we actually chose to experience these unliked aspects - hence there must be a reason.

  It is hard to understand the "why" when you are trapped in the duality of "moving through now" rather than "being now".
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  poppers

  Fantastic Alpha!
  
  "Then we realise that as the source of the dream, we actually chose to experience these unliked aspects - hence there must be a reason."
  
  Perhaps the reason is to see what it's like from that particularized viewpoint within the dream. In order to see beyond a created dream there must be what appear to be dissimilarities.
  
  
  "It is hard to understand the "why" when you are trapped in the duality of "moving through now" rather than "being now".
  
  Yes - be the 'now' because you ARE the now. There is "no one" to move THROUGH now.
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  AlphaOmega

  Perhaps the reason is to see what it's like from that particularized viewpoint within the dream. In order to see beyond a created dream there must be what appear to be dissimilarities.

  I love this thread !!

  Poppers... thanks for your encouragement.

  I would favour that the dreamer wants to experience that particular aspect of himself and so generates it to be experienced as both "deliverer" and "receiver".

  However, as the "Mini Me" inside my dream, I tend to feel that that particular event (the unliked aspect) happened for the ME in my dream.

  When in actual fact, it may have been for the me dreaming... or more likely both at the same time.
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  AlphaOmega

  Yes - be the 'now' because you ARE the now. There is "no one" to move THROUGH now.

  I know... and yet I am both the dreamer and the "dreamed of" for a reason.

  The "dreamed of" obviously feeds back to the dreamer in the same way that

  God the spider spun the web,
  We are the web - we are each a strand (I am the vine, you are the branches)

  Sitting in the centre of the web, God the spider can sense every little tug on the web, each of our choices is experienced by him as an extension of himself.

  But then I guess that I am hung up on being the "dreamed of" rather than ALWAYS being the dreamer.

  It is said well in the Gospel of Thomas :

  5 Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."

  Drunk on the dream.

  The Gospel of Thomas is packed full of these little clues about the duality of exsistence.

  http://www.westarinstitute.org/Polebridge/Title/Complete/Thomas/thomas.html
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  poppers

  "However, as the "Mini Me" inside my dream, I tend to feel that that particular event (the unliked aspect) happened for the ME in my dream.
  
  When in actual fact, it may have been for the me dreaming... or more likely both at the same time."
  
  Nicely put, Alpha. I would say for both at the same time. Being convinced of one's existence within the dream carries with it a certain meaning that otherwise wouldn't be realized by the dream character. If the dream character always knew that it was not actually real then waking up to the underlying reality wouldn't be as much "fun". I think this is all about fun - the fun of the creator disguising itself so well that upon awakening to itself there arises delight.
  
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  "I know... and yet I am both the dreamer and the "dreamed of" for a reason.
  
  The "dreamed of" obviously feeds back to the dreamer in the same way that
  
  God the spider spun the web,
  We are the web - we are each a strand (I am the vine, you are the branches)
  
  Sitting in the centre of the web, God the spider can sense every little tug on the web, each of our choices is experienced by him as an extension of himself."
  
  Nice analogy.
  
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  "But then I guess that I am hung up on being the "dreamed of" rather than ALWAYS being the dreamer.
  
  It is said well in the Gospel of Thomas :
  5 Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
  
  Drunk on the dream.
  
  The Gospel of Thomas is packed full of these little clues about the duality of exsistence."
  
  Yeah, I love The Gospel of Thomas - it's about the only bible related writing that actually makes sense and speaks to me. It makes perfect sense in the context of waking up to your true nature.
  
  As far as getting "hung up" remember: You as you actually are create it all. The ebb and flow between getting stuck in the character and realizing you are the creator is the play that has been put into motion. Look for this character to see if you can find it, see if it's real or only imagined. When it is seen to be imaginary there will come a great relief. Then life can be lived lucidly within this appearance we find ourselves in, no longer stuck inside the character, but seeing the character for what it is.