Wife went to bed in tears again. Sept KM this time. Her response.. (page 2)

memario

I'm a 10 year fader, and I can't imagine what your going through, but I feel for you, hang in there!!

hugs!

mem

I feel for what you are going through. When I was at that point that I knew it was all BS and just another manmade borganization but still "in", it was pure hell. That was 10 years ago and I still suffer from PAD because of it. I was fortunate that my wife was right beside me when we decided to walk.

We are both sending hugs and good mojo your way. Be strong, Bro'.

Madame Quixote

"The Brotherhood, and being able to have a close relationship with Jehovah, and knowing I will see my parents someday", came the reply as full blown sobs and tears followed her to bed." 2 words for that: emotional blackmail

oompa

Madame Q--2 words for that: emotional blackmail

I promise, it is not intentional. It came out too fast, and she is very genuine and sincere. She just so wants things back the way they were. We share a songbook, and I can not make myself sing anymore. I have not been in service in over a year. It kills me seeing her go to all the meetings and I mean ALL the meetings alone.

blackmail often works....oompa

sweetface2233

Oompa, I am so sorry to hear this. Unfortunately, it happens to families all over the globe everyday. Of course, the 2 things that a lot of JW couples have in common are the religion and sexual attraction to each other. I know from experience that when you remove the religion from the mix it is very hard to keep the marriage together and it goes downhill FAST. I hope things get better for you. Better being that she starts to see through the WTS bullshit.

Younglove1999

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.

This organization conditions us to come up with responses for every question without encouraging us to actually *think*. When said, it sounds good and reasonable, but when you think about it, it's really just a bunch of words.

I hope your wife realizes that she can still have true friendship and a relationship with God without having to be a robot.

Witness 007

I'm in the same position but I have found I just can't go to the meetings anymore. Even when she had a talk and it meant alot to her. My wife once broke a fry pan on my car for not going to the meeting...very emotional...that was a while ago, now she has chilled out alot and even has doubts herself. She just excepted that's how it is. I don't push too much...just now and again. Use "Witness powers" against them, like a Witness with an opposed relative, give a little Witness here and there but don't go to far. "Causious as a serpent, innocent as a dove" Good luck!

NewYork44M

I feel for you, Oompa. I have been there and done that. For many many years.

Some have been able to win over their spouses. Others have not. I am in the camp where I lost. But I wish the best for you and your marriage.

Homerovah the Almighty

When any organization or group starts telling people what they are to read and what not to, you best get out of Doge and make it quick

It just practical advise

tula

oompa,

since JW's are supposed to pride themselves on their great REASONING skills, if you could just somehow impress on her the importance of logical criteria.

Any educator has the responsibility to provide truthful and non-misleading information.

An educator should present facts and choices to EMPOWER others to MAKE better decisions. (Notice I didn't say to have the decisions already made for them) There should be freedom of thought and freedom of choice.

To make a REASONABLE decision, you must have:

1) sources of information that are accurate and unbiased

2) have criteria of proof

3) factual scientific methodology

Most of all you should never accept any material (information) in which the sponsorship of the research has a vested interest in the outcome.

Truth should be able to withstand scrutinty.

Another example...go back and read the First Amendment of the Constitution. Here are a few excerpts:

1st Amend. guarantees protection of freedom of conscience and deterrence against official attempts to engage in "thought reform". It gives one the right of private conscience against governmental coercion of expressions of belief and loyalty. One should not compel another to declare a belief and to utter what is not in his mind.

(enforced conformity strangles the free mind at its source)

(No one should posess the awesome power to compel belief)

The purpose of the 1st amendment was precisely to protect from all official control the domain that was "the sphere of intellect and spirit".

It guards against the enclaves of totalitarianism and the use of coercive tactics such as censorship and intimidation.

1st amendment prevents the state from forcing citizens to believe or mouth an officially sanctioned point of view whether political, philosophical, or personal.

FREE INDIVIDUALS disagree about and debate such views and they seek to change each other's beliefs by persuasion and argument NOT by coercion and force!

Too bad, the 1st amendment applies only to governmental powers. That is where church and state are separate. Once you are baptized, you are under the jurisdiction of your church now, and the government cannot and will not intefere. You signed a contract with the church entity to allow them to rule you.

Wife went to bed in tears again. Sept KM this time. Her response..