Defending outspoken atheism

by serotonin_wraith 36 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    It's getting tough to have a good missionary conscience for any cause these days.

    I dunno, Narkissos. I love my job. My wife and I take care of raising eleven 8th grade boys (8th grade is a Middle School aged boy here, ages 12-14 years old).

    Without a good missionary conscience I don't think I could do it. By the way, eat more Hershey's Chocolate if you want to aid my mission. Mr. Hershey made sure the Trust that owns the Hershey's stock established caring for the socially and/or economically disadvantaged kids where I work as its primary mission. This place is the reason Hershey's makes candy.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    journey-on:

    I think your problem, Sero, as well as a lot of other atheists is that you have a bigger issue

    with religion and its doctrines rather than the existence of God.

    I agree there. What people do with their belief in god is more dangerous than the belief itself. Believing in other things which have no proof isn't a good way to use ones mind, but those people are in the minority and don't effect society to any great extent. Even the religious see those people as crazy.

  • wherehasmyhairgone
    wherehasmyhairgone

    I think outspoken atheist is a good thing, even though it does make some uncomfortable.

    Most religions have enjoy the ability to oppress any train of thought that didn't agree with their view of the world for hundreds of years , even thousands

    Case in point , my situation and being a JW

    When you are brought up in the religion you are hardly taught to think for yourself, everything is from the FDS, questioning jw's doctrine is causes for maybe reproving etc.. You are told what to believe, told where to look in the bible to reinforce their doctrine.

    Now when i left the organization, i really didn't have many self created thought process of what i thought, my entire belief was base don what the JW doctrine told me,

    I had heard of people like Richard dawkins (as an example) but also seen how he is ridiculed by many in the JW religion. But his outspokenness and more importantly the valid argument he present, well quite frankly i couldn't counter.

    Outspoken atheist is giving reason arguments and social thoughts out to the masses, which for the first time in history is allowing people to think for themselves when it comes to any god.

    Yes you can't prove God exists neither disprove it, but that argument no longer holds water., thru some outspoken atheist you can look at the surrounding evidence and see if it points to a god or not. so even through the claim of not being able to prove god doesnt exist is somewhat valid, it is a pointless statement, its like saying I should still be able to believe in Thor as no one has disproved him yet. but the surrounding evidence shows no pointers to Thor or any other god.

    People makes comment about how rude some atheist can be, but seriously think of it this way, is you have someone yapping at you that everything on this earth was created in a magically moment by fairies, and depending on how you lived your life, you would either enter into the fairy kingdom, and live a wonderful life flying around, how long would it take for you to get a little bit sick and tired of it, now times that by the length of humanity, and maybe you see why some atheist gets a little annoyed, about supernatural nonsense still being touted as a valid position.

    my two pennies

    steve

  • B_Deserter
    B_Deserter

    I was listening to the Skepticality podcast with the people from Rational Response Squad and they were talking about the need for Atheists to be more outspoken in order to combat the hard-line, loud evangelicals that are slowly but surely trying to strip away freedom of choice for all Americans. The fact that RRS is so loud and outspoken is the only reason they were given air time by ABC to debate. The outspokenness raises awareness about the issues.

  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Sorry, but I've spoken with God personally and seen him, and he looks just like described in the Bible, with fine "wooly" hair. I also have a photograph of the "sign of the son of man", so, I know there's definitely a god. I feel sorry for those who think otherwise. I guess when God comes out of hiding at Armageddon, everyone will know for sure.

    Atheism? At this point, a total JOKE.

    Know this.

    JCanon

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    Most religions have enjoy the ability to oppress any train of thought that didn't agree with their view of the world for hundreds of years , even thousands ...

    ... so turnabout is fair play. We should have equal time oppressing views because our views are elevated above and are intellectually superior to most religions.

    Wonderful endorsement. Carry on.

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    I belive in God...not religon...God...being a-theist, or a-gonist is fine...that's where you are in life...

    What I see in the context of science is the same type of hypocrisy, pounding square pegs into round holes, back stabbing, defending sacred cows, finger pointing and smearing the names of others, who don't agree with your scientific belife system, as can be found in any God believing bible thumper...there's no difference between a Carl Sagen, Richard Dawkins or, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggert...they hold everyone in contempt that doesn't see it their way...

    Your "outspoken atheism" has much merit...debate, dialouge should continue...with the realization that both sides can be dumber than dirt...

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    JCanon-

    Unfortunately, your god has only revealed himself (with actual words) to a select few. There is no reason for the rest of us to believe. We are open, yet God has not spoken to us. If God is real, he would know that I would use my brain and need more reason to believe in him over say, Thor. If Jesus comes out of the clouds like Superman and uses his magic powers to destroy us, I will feel set up. God would have wanted me to pick him over the 3000 other gods, with no reason for doing so. Talk about the odds being stacked against you! Of course, if we look back through history we can see that every generation for 2000 years has believed Jesus is going to come back in their lifetime. They worked at the numbers and came up with dates just around the corner from them, just as people today do.

    Of course all that is my opinion, and the point of this thread is to say atheists have just as much right to give their opinion as the religious have to preach.

    Auldsoul-

    We should have equal time oppressing views because our views are elevated above and are intellectually superior to most religions.

    I don't think we should oppress views. I don't mind any religious person preaching, just as long as they don't mind me giving my side. We should have equal time expressing views.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    SW,

    I don't mind anyone giving their side. I do mind them using proselytization tactics and "reality massaging" (spin) in their pursuit—whichever side they are on.

    The old maxim about "religion holding back human progress" should be turned as a mirror to the scientific community in the case of Nikola Tesla, and others, who were sincere scientists burned at the metaphorical stake for their heresy. Tesla, the father of Alternating Current, offered up a radically different way to understand the nature of energy and the protectors of the sacred cow bludgeoned him into silence. Some have even been offered the option of recanting (retracting) and have stood firm for their beliefs.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    A rude and condescending atheist is no better than a rude and haughty bible thumper! Both have an unwarranted superiority complex. carmel

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