Wow, it just clicked. I'm agnostic!

by marmot 24 Replies latest jw experiences

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    imho, nobody can absolutely be an atheist. Not because one does not believe in God (in that sense of the word, a personal choice), but because nobody can prove the nonexistence of God (in the other sense of the word, as a proof).

    As for myself, I'm an agnostic, and will go to my grave as such.

    And even if I'm resurrected, or reincarnated a thousand times, I still could never prove to another being in this universe that God does, or does not, exist. Nor could I prove it even to myself, even if I was absolutely convinced that God had Itself personally spoken to me (which It has never done).

    And thus we stare at the open plain and see the beckoning horizon, which always moves away from us.

  • The Oracle
  • blueviceroy
    blueviceroy

    God said becuase you dont believe anymore hes not going to anymore of your birthday parties and not to expect anything for christmas either

    Ohh and nvr, he's said that you can do what ever you like this life cause he's not going to reincarnate you anymore

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    People differ on what the correct term is. I can't disprove leprachauns, but I'm not agnostic regarding them. Without a belief in a god (atheism) isn't the same as saying god definitely doesn't exist. Here's another view, which I agree with-

    http://www.rationalresponders.com/am_i_agnostic_or_atheist

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    Hello,

    That is interesting. You might find this guys little speech interesting. He has seven different youtube videos that you should check out.

    He is an ex-JW who has an interesting viewpoint on things.

    He talks about being agnostic versus being an atheist in this one.

    Not sure what I am just yet.

    All I know for sure is that the WT is a nasty little organization that needs to be shut down, and I need to get all the people I love - OUT of harms way which is OUTSIDE of the WT

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05PM9_bblmI

    The Oracle

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Ohh and nvr, he's said that you can do what ever you like this life cause he's not going to reincarnate you anymore

    WTF!?!?!?!?!

    Did he really?

    In that case...

  • Happy Harvester
    Happy Harvester

    Congratulations! Welcome to the fold!

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Marmot,

    From what you say, you're "agnostic leaning towards atheist".

    You said:

    I think there's the possibility of something that initially kicked-started everything in our universe into motion, but I don't think there's any omnipotent accountant-executioner in the sky.

    I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just said there. Even atheists don't need to deny the possibility, they just don't believe the odds are strong enough to warrant that thing called "belief". For more on this, follow the YouTube link posted above by Oracle. He expresses the definitions very clearly, and used to post on this board under the name Seattleniceguy.

  • Borgia
    Borgia

    Marmot,
    I pleasant and breath inducing experience, is it not ? Welcome to the best part of your life!
    Cheers
    Borgia

  • CyrusThePersian
    CyrusThePersian
    People differ on what the correct term is. I can't disprove leprachauns, but I'm not agnostic regarding them. Without a belief in a god (atheism) isn't the same as saying god definitely doesn't exist.

    Serotonin_Wraith hit the nail on the head. Can you prove leprechauns don't exist? No. Do you therefore BELIEVE leprechauns exist? No! (At least I hope not.) Do you hold out the possibility that they might exist? Again no.

    We find it easy to dismiss leprechauns, unicorns, Greek gods and so-forth as being mythical. Why? Two reasons. One is that there is NO EVIDENCE that they exist or have ever existed. Mount Olympus is just a jagged rock, not the home of the gods. A rainbow is light being diffracted through water vapor in the atmosphere, there is no leprechaun with his pot of gold at the end of it.

    The second reason, and in many ways the most important reason, is that we were TOLD by our peers, our teachers, and our parents that this stuff was hogwash. So we find it easy to say that not only do we not believe these things but we also don't rationally hold out any ideas of their being proved true in the future.

    This second reason is what makes God different. In reality, there is NO MORE EVIDENCE that God exists than there is for leprechauns. However, it has been hammered into our wee little heads that God DOES exist. Our peers, our teachers, and our parents are all believers, because they were taught to believe.

    That's what makes it so hard to let go of the God concept and be an atheist. It's also why we are having an argument over what the terms "atheist" and "agnostic" mean. No one on this board is "agnostic" toward the Greek gods, we are all "atheists" towards them. I feel the exact same way toward the Bible God, and for the same reason-no evidence, and this despite what I was taught.

    CyrusThePersian

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