As a Fader Does Some of your Family Shun You , Even though not DFed ?

by flipper 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper
    flipper

    Hello my friends. This is a REAL subject here , so I welcome your responses , advice , and any experiences you can add that might help others and myself . Most of us have family that are JW's , whether we are faded or dfed, or dissassociated . If you are a fader, not actually dfed, does your family still shun you like you are disfellowshipped ? And how are you handling it ? What do you do ?

    As many of you know, I have some witness family , my parents who respect my fading status, and others, mainly my 2 daughters who do not . In fact I have called them on the phone twice in the last 2 weeks and don't get a return call. They are 20 and 19. They have told me in the past the last 4 years since I have not attended meetings that , " It would be hard to have a relationship with me unless I attended meetings again. " I have tried to explain to them that I have some issues and doubts on certain points , but that doesn't seem to matter to them or deter them from shunning me. There is also my ex-wife ( divorced 1998) who continues to bad mouth me to my daughters and tell them that I'm a rebel because I disagreed with some elders wrong, incorrect counsel 4 years ago. So, she influences them . My son 22, isn't influenced as he is out of the cult like me ( faded ) and he knows his mom talks BS.

    As some of you know, my ex of 9 years tried to get me dfed earlier this year on false unsubstantiated charges I lived with my fiance 1 month before we were married last October ( Mrs. Flipper ). She dragged my youngest daughter and her husband 2 hours north of where they live to see if they could catch me in "the act " . Then called the elders and over the next 10 months I fought like hell against the allegations , and long story short, I appealed the dfing decision, and the appeal committee overturned the dfing, nullifying it on lack of evidence, also getting direct guidance from the society in their decision. I did all this fighting of it to still talk with my mom and dad, 82 and 80. To me it was worth the fight.

    My dillemma now is, in spite of being cleared by the society and the elders , my daughters still won't acknowledge the decision the elders made ,or the society and won't talk to me. I feel they are definitely influenced by their fanatic Jdub mom who has been known to make the statement, " Well, the elders might have forgiven him, but we don't know if Jehovah has ! ". Loving, huh? I thought holy spirit directed the elders ? Isn't that what we were taught ? Guess the ex and daughters don't believe that. So, I'm fighting an uphill battle to try to show my daughters I care, I just call leave a loving message, " Hi, I love you guys. Just want to see how you are doing! Call me if you can. " And that's it. No calls, no nothing back. I have discussed this in private with a good friend on the board and have implemented some good things he advised me to do, so we shall see what happens ! So, does anybody have a similar situation ? Do you have any good advice for me ? Whathave you folks done in similar situations ? I'm just brainstorming here, trusting my good friends on the board here . I know you all have been through the mill too! I , as well as others would really like to hear what you have to say, either about your experiences or advice is certainly welcome ! Peace to all of you here, and yes I remind you, this thread is REAL! Peace out to you, Mr. Flipper

  • oompa
    oompa

    Flipper my main mammal oh you do have a plate full. I have several old friends that have been like family my whole life that are now shunning me, and I have never even spoken with them about the doubts that let me to meet with the CO and write WTS. It is not that they walk by and stop and turn away. Its just that we used play golf sometimes big groups out of town for a weekend. I was on the IN list every year, not any more...uninvited. same with just reg golf, no one ever calls now and these guys do this based on bad gossip.

    You have parent figures working actively against you and that is just not fair. Each time you call and leave a loving message maybe you could also say "And I found something I thought you might like at.............................try to take a look at it." find things that can pique something in young mind. what a challange you have.....thats all....just hand tough and WIN...oompa

  • hubert
    hubert

    Mr. and Mrs. Flipper, You people are so nice, I hate to see you go through all of this with your kids.

    I really can't offer any advice, as I was never a j.w., but I can offer my support to a couple of good people who do a lot for others on this board.

    I hope some day soon your daughters will be able to remove the W.T. blinders and you'll have them back.

    Hubert

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    mr flipper....good topic....

    my JW family is limited.... mom is the main one...she will never shun me no matter what...

    I will have to email you the latest...we will have to chat soon (my bad..I'm a horrible phone person)

    other than that..just a few cousins are in the Borg.....

    ...buuuutttt.... I have noticed a substantial decrease in the number of phone calls from some of my supposedly closest "friends" who are still dubs....including my best friend...

    ....sadly a loyal JW elder...... and to think I so strongly encouraged him to reach out when I was a MS and he was a publisher......I am soooo sorry I did that....

    I will never close my door, phone, or heart to them.... but if that is what they feel they must do...so be it...

    I love them anyway.

    Snakes ()

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I will bttt for ya, but I don't have your situation either.

    I have two family members in. My wife can't shun me, and my mother doesn't fully understand the fade
    so it's been somewhat successful with her- at least avoiding shunning, but not helping her find freedom.

    Anyway, I have decided that I will not let people change me by their shunning if it happens.
    I would say hello to the elders that shun me, perhaps even walk up to hug them. (Okay, maybe not.)

    My point is that you are doing what is, IMO, the right thing to call and inform them what's going on and
    hoping they will call back. I recommend sending them post cards from vacations, too. Be the same person
    you would have been if they didn't shun you. You will be upset that they don't answer, but you will not
    be a lesser person, and you will not be disappointed in yourself if they ever do respond.

  • primitivegenius
    primitivegenius

    faded and not dfed........... parents know i go to another church ........ thus complete shunning. my grandmother knows but NOTHING will keep her from talking to her grandson. sister is also in the cult and is shunning completely. rest of my family are not witnesses but live along way from me.

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    YEP!

    So much drama with that situation.

    I have 99% disowned the people involved, though, so it's all good.

    Movin' on.

  • annalice
    annalice

    My husband and I are faders . We have been out now for several years. His whole family including aunts uncles and cousins have all decided to shun us now after seeing that we had put up Christmas decorations last year. We are not Disfellowshipped. Tha last time they saw us and spoke to us was August 2006 our little boy was 22 months old last they saw him. He has just this month turned two and they have not even attempted to see him or even call or write and see how he is doing. They have also chosen to not have any contact with our new baby boy who has just turned 6 months old ,and I have to say is the absolute most adorable cuddley , huggable little baby . They would not even come to the hospital to see him when he was born ,even though we did call them and tell them we had just had him. They never even called to see how I was doing during my pregnancy even though they new that we had a pretty bad scare during it. I guess its hard for them to come see us , I mean they do live a whole 30 minutes from our house. They do not need to treat us this way ,we have not been DF'd ,yet,. but it is their loss . I truelly really feel bad for my husband , to have ones own parents, brother , sister , aunts unlces and cousins all do that is unforgivable, its un-natural and cruel and in my opinion VERY Un- christian. I look at my two little boys and think " I could never in a million years do that to them" . I am sooo thankful every day that we got out of all that mind control crap .I am so sorry to hear that you are having to go through this same thing.

  • Berean
    Berean

    It is common for Jehovah’s Witnesses supposedly in “good standing” to shun those that no longer attend meetings (perceived to be not in good standing), or have been falsely accused by someone that is thought to be in “good standing” in the congregation (in other words - attending the meetings and not under restrictions). It would be very rare for someone that is “fading” to be perceived as a good person in the congregation. Unfortunately that is the nature of a Cult. Sorry to hear about your troubles.

  • sspo
    sspo

    I think you are handling it just right with your daughter, continue calling them once a week and tell them

    you're thinking about them and that you love them. Eventually their conscience will kick in and return the call.

    I am in the same situation and that's what i'm doing and every so often they call.

    I have a daughter who is pioneering and that's the one that avoids me the most.

    They also might be very hurt about your divorce and your wife has the upper hand since you left the organization in influencing them .

    "How wicked" you are for not agreeing with the borg.

    keep on calling them and show your love for them.

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