Christianity in a nutshell

by serotonin_wraith 105 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    May I suggest that if you want a real breakdown of core Christian beliefs that you go to the website of a Bible Scholar or Church leader and not the website of an athiest?

    I won't go into it at this time but basically Dawkins is incorrect on all his assumptions made that you posted. He cleary does not understand Christianity at all.

    And unlike others in his field who can offer contrary views against Christianity in merely an accademic form, I found Dawkins very hostile to people of faith in general. And although he may offer some good arguements, his attitude negates it and many of my friends who are not Christians also find him obnoxious and will not read anything he writes.

    Just making a suggestion, Lilly

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    If I were to write about atheism in the same style that author wrote about Christianity, it would look something like this:

    Atheism in a nutshell:

    There is no plausible explanation for how life came to be of its own accord, no plausible explanation for the design and order that is inherent in the universe, in animals, plants, and other life forms. For whatever reason, there is only one planet, Earth,that has been proven to have life on it. This life supposedly just spontaneously appeared from nothing (just like the universe, lol) and a simple one celled creature spontaneously generated from non-life, and then mutated into a higher order multi-celled creature, lols, and this process continued through some imaginary series of events to produce the plethora of life forms observed on Earth today, lulz! Although there exists no proof that one life form has ever become another, the wacky imaginations of insane people imagine that one life form actually morphed into another, lulz!! Here’s the best part- these idiots claim that they don’t need faith to believe this hogwash! They may as well believe in pink unicorns or the flying spaghetti monster! It’s all about putting faith in some imaginary explanation of how things came to be and the way things are! Bonus points for this wacked out belief system because it claims to be “new light” as to how things came to be (only being explained in the last hundred years or so), in direct opposition to beliefs held by humanity for thousands of years, beliefs that are way more plausible!

    BA- Realizes that seratonin_wraith is doing doing his usual trolling.

    P.S.-Not necessarily taking the bait, just providing a little tit fot tat.

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    Now, to do justice to Christianity, here is my take on "Christianity in a nutshell".

    Christianity in a nutshell:

    (First, I must state that my belief is non-trinitarian, trinitarian belief is (at least should be) identical, other than contesting a different understanding of God’s nature))

    The Bible account: God exists always, with no beginning or end (requires faith, admittedly, and can’t be explained other than miraculously). True Christians are comfortable with speaking the truth- faith is required. Out of His goodness, He creates His only direct creation- His son. Through His son, He creates the universe and everything in it, both living and non-living, spirit and material, and pays particular attention to planet Earth. He creates Man, and then Woman, and gives them fatherly guidance as to how to be like Him, being good (immortal), and turning from evil, not being sinful in nature (mortal). Primary in this relationship of Creator and created beings is the principle of Headship.

    One of God’s spirit creations, Lucifer, decides to disobey God’s headship, and he convinces Eve to disobey Adam’s headship, and she convinces Adam to disobey God’s headship. For this great disobedience, God banishes Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden, and, they now being sinful in nature, are mortal, facing a certain death at some point. Their life is no longer immortal. They pass this mortal, sinful nature on to their offspring. Likewise, Lucifer (now the Liar, Devil, Satan) and other spirit creations (angels, now demons due to their following Satan’s example of bucking God’s headship) are eventually banished from God’s presence.

    This sets up the struggle that has taken place ever since. This struggle is between two diametrically opposed groups: Those who respect God’s headship, and endeavor to obey Him, and those who disrespect God’s headship, and endeavor to disobey Him. Those who side with God, and those who side with Satan.

    God chooses humble men throughout history to be His servants. In a move that will prefigure His blessing of a group of people (true Christians) in the future, He chooses a humble man, Abram, and befriends him. He makes a covenant, a promise to him, that his offspring will be blessed as long as they obey God’s headship and follow his laws. God is true to His word, as He always is. Through Abram, who God renames Abraham, his son Isaac, his grandson Jacob, and his great grandson Joseph, who God renames Israel), God fulfils His promise. God is not partial, wherever people, whether Israelite or not, submit to His headship, and obey Him, he blesses them. Likewise, wherever people disobey Him, whether Israelite or gentile, he punishes them. In fact, on numerous occasions, God blesses other nations, rather than Israel, such as Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Media, Persia, etc, because of Israel’s disobedience and these nations subjection to God. Every people that subject themselves to God and obey His laws he blesses, every people that do not subject themselves to God and disobey His laws he curses. The laws God gives ensure that people will know what is right and what is wrong. The sacrifices He demands remind people that they are sinful and need God’s redemption, because of what Adam and Eve wrought on their offspring (all humanity).

    In order to perfectly fulfill His laws, and make one sacrifice to end all sacrifice, God chooses an Israelite woman, of the tribe of Judah, to carry in her womb His son, Jesus Christ. Now in human form, Christ proves who He is through His teachings, performs miraculous signs, and teaches and establishes a new covenant which fulfills the old covenant, taking its place as the means through which mankind may show their submission to God’s headship and be redeemed. He makes clear to all those living from then on, by His example, how mankind is to live. What we are to do, and what we are to avoid. He also makes clear that God has a day of judgment in store, in which each individual human and spirit creature will be judged by His son, Jesus Christ. Upon judgment, some creatures will be forever cut off from life, while others will receive life, living with Christ as their King for a thousand years, after which Christ will subject himself and all those living to God as their King.

    These are the basic building blocks upon which all Christian theology is constructed. Atheists and others can protest that of course they don't really see things in such a simple and manifestly plausible way, but this narrative underpins what the Bible truly teaches.

    BA- Understands that we all put faith in something. I choose to put my faith in God rather than men. Thank God!

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    I second that thought BA

    abr

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo
    either way God and Jesus suck. A "loving" God lets things happen (half of it in the name of religion) and doesn't bother to do anything or give any real answers. It's all bulls$%t.

    So if its all bull - pray why are you trying to blame these non-existent entities? If they(or whatever deity/supreme being) do exist, shouldn't we give them some credit for the good things as well as dissing them for the bad? Or is it ok to carry on like Kevin the stroppy teenager, "I hate you", "It's not fair" moan moan whinge whinge... If this deity does exist, I'm amazed at their patience with this world of moaners - dunno about everyone else but I'd never have got away with treating my own parents like that! Think about it!!

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    Can being a Christian be as harmful as being a member of the KKK, a nazi, or a suicide bomber? Hmm, well let's consider all the 'witches' and heretics burnt over hundreds of years, how about the wars Christians are engaged in right now, how about poisoning children's minds with flawed morals and unfounded fear? Then we have people in Africa dying from AIDS, while at the same time Catholics are over there telling them condoms go against God, and stem cell research being held back by Christians, which has the potential to cure millions. Is it as harmful? No. It's worse.

    What about the good Christians? Well, what about the good nazis? They didn't ALL go killing, but plenty gave the power and support to those who did. If a group of fairy believers were good, and a few bad apples started doing bad things because it was a message that COULD be got from the fairy beliefs, why not just try to get them all to see fairy belief is ridiculous anyway and cut off the problem at its head. As long as Christianity exists, there will always be those who will think God wants them to do bad things.

    Personal experience- funny how people have personal experiences about whatever god is the most popular in the society they were raised in. All the gods in the world must be real if 'personal experience' is supposed to be convincing.

    darkuncle29: "I believe that a person could have those thoughts and beliefs, as long as they do not act upon them and try to inflict their view or behavors upon other people, that is crossing a line."

    Yeah, that's well put. If they didn't bring up their children in their religion or try converting others I'd be much more tolerant. But of course if that happened, Christianity would die out.

    "For athiests who just want to be left alone, being bothered and harassed by Religious nuts can be taxing, but they need to realize, that is not all of that group, just the active and crazies."

    For me personally, it goes deeper than being harrassed by the religious. I never get preached to. It's more the bad effects of religion that gets me talking.

    "My beliefs regarding my experiences and interpretations of reality are mine, not for sale, open for discusion but not by people who have locked in their own belief (or "negative" beliefs) and are seeking forced consensus."

    I'm with you on the forced part- I don't think anyone should be forced to change their beliefs.

    lovelylil:

    May I suggest that if you want a real breakdown of core Christian beliefs that you go to the website of a Bible Scholar or Church leader and not the website of an athiest?

    I won't go into it at this time but basically Dawkins is incorrect on all his assumptions made that you posted. He cleary does not understand Christianity at all.

    So which parts are incorrect? (Dawkins didn't write the article).

    BA:

    Atheism in a nutshell:

    There is no plausible explanation for how life came to be of its own accord, no plausible explanation for the design and order that is inherent in the universe, in animals, plants, and other life forms. For whatever reason, there is only one planet, Earth,that has been proven to have life on it. This life supposedly just spontaneously appeared from nothing (just like the universe, lol) and a simple one celled creature spontaneously generated from non-life, and then mutated into a higher order multi-celled creature, lols, and this process continued through some imaginary series of events to produce the plethora of life forms observed on Earth today, lulz! Although there exists no proof that one life form has ever become another, the wacky imaginations of insane people imagine that one life form actually morphed into another, lulz!! Here’s the best part- these idiots claim that they don’t need faith to believe this hogwash! They may as well believe in pink unicorns or the flying spaghetti monster! It’s all about putting faith in some imaginary explanation of how things came to be and the way things are! Bonus points for this wacked out belief system because it claims to be "new light" as to how things came to be (only being explained in the last hundred years or so), in direct opposition to beliefs held by humanity for thousands of years, beliefs that are way more plausible!

    Huh? Your lack of scientific knowledge aside, that's not atheism. Atheism is not believing in a god. That's it.

    You've made your beliefs sound fancy, that's all. What is basically boils down to is what was in the first post.

    Understands that we all put faith in something.

    Nope.

    ---Is this actually trolling? Why not have debates about religion? We debate lots of things on this board. If this subject offends you, don't involve yourself. If you've had enough of it, don't involve yourself. But if you CHOOSE to read it, that's up to you. It's nothing to do with me.---

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    seratonin,

    Sorry about that. I thought since it came from a Dawkins website, he may have written the article.

    The parts that are incorrect are all of it. The reason why is it is cleary written in a sarcastic manner poking fun of Christian beliefs by over-simplifying what it is we really believe. BA pointed this out as well. The writer does not truly understand core Christian beliefs. That is the beliefs most of main-stream Christianity accepts. Of course in any religion you have some variations in minor beliefs.

    Anyway I stand by my advice to seek information about Christianity from a source more suitable to answer any questions you may have. I do not believe an athiest can give you correct information just like I, as a Christian, cannot give you correct information about core beliefs of athiests. Nor would I even try to. Peace, Lilly

  • startingover
    startingover
    Anyway I stand by my advice to seek information about Christianity from a source more suitable to answer any questions you may have. I do not believe an athiest can give you correct information just like I, as a Christian, cannot give you correct information about core beliefs of athiests. Nor would I even try to. Peace, Lilly

    Lil,

    I'm surprised you give the same exact argument the JW's give. I find it odd you even used it.

    Personal experience- funny how people have personal experiences about whatever god is the most popular in the society they were raised in. All the gods in the world must be real if 'personal experience' is supposed to be convincing.

    S_W

    In my experience Christians seem to have a hard time answering that one. Any takers on this thread?

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    lovelylil:

    The parts that are incorrect are all of it.

    Really? So, as a Christian, you don't believe an indescribably powerful and intelligent being called God who was in existence prior to the dawn of time decided to make the universe and pay particular attention to planet Earth?

    He didn't focus all his attention on a collection of tribal groupings in the Middle East, in particular the Israelites who are his 'chosen people'?

    He didn't come to earth in human form, being born of a virgin and become incarnate as a Jewish male and wander around what is today Israel-Palestine?

    He didn't get himself crucified, in order that he could sacrifice himself to himself for our good?

    Christians don't believe that then? I feel like I've been living in an alternative universe now.

    I, as a Christian, cannot give you correct information about core beliefs of athiests. Nor would I even try to.

    Well no, because atheism is not a belief.

  • Shawn10538
    Shawn10538

    Appropriate title "NUTshell." ha ha It's funny how addicted Christians are to their "precious beliefs." In the above caricatures of the original post, the authors mix and mash their argument. The original post is relatively free of loaded language where the mockers of the post say things like "inherent design," and so are not being simplistic at all but using loaded terms, straw man arguments (lumping atheists with evolutionists) and typical christian rhetoric like the coward's refuge of "claims of faith" and "personal experience."

    On the other hand when you do state atheism and evolution in simple terms, it is NOT hilarious and does not sound like a myth. It is actually honest... WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, we merely have evidence that suggests certain possibilities or probabilities. A real scientist will always admit that they don't know for sure what happened at the dawn of time. Evolution is still a theory, not religious dogma. No evolutionist has "cherished beliefs" to go down swinging defending. A real evolutionist or scientist would happily abandon all his beliefs in light of new evidence. Nothing is beyond question. Atheists claim not that God categorically does not exist for sure but rather that they simply lack belief in God. This is different from believing that God does not exist.

    Christians on the other hand are sure about everything and try to prove it with the Bible, until they are backed into a corner and can't answer pertinent questions upon which time the Christian will claim to have "personally experienced' Christ and 5theefore are out of reach by relativistic little problems like logic.

    But let us examine these "personal experiences." When I asked my brother about his experience it turned out that it was no more than a warm fuzzy feeling when he was sitting in traffic one day. I asked, "Well, how do you know it was Jesus?" A fair question. "I just knew." was his answer. Again, the coward's retreat. Clearly, it is just as likely that it was indigestion and not Jesus at all.

    I spoke to a Mormon once, same deal. Describe your personal experience with Jesus. "I was 5, and I felt a warm glow come over me." "Did you actually see or hear anything that would tell you that it was Jesus?" 'I just knew." Another case of indigestion.

    There is a great discussion on the laughable Christian "ethics" that so many proclaim. Christian ethics are no more than a hodge podge of contradictory values borrowed from other cultures, and they are ANYTHING but warm and fuzzy. Fear inspiring and damning maybe, but definitely not warm and fuzzy.

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