by Aleman 44 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Thus all regular people can not approach God in prayer! So why bother praying at the Kingdum Hall unless one of the "Anointed" are present to do all of the praying?
Actually the anointed don't have to be there in person. We ordinary folk can just say our prayer "in the name of the anointed remant and its Governing Body, amen."
BTW - idiot - Jw's do not confess Jesus in the flesh! They believe he will come in spirit. Perhaps you missed that little point of significant doctrine!
That's right. We identify the antichrist in the last days because they would not believe Christ returns in the flesh. The IBS way back when, looking at 1874 thought that Christ would return in the flesh, but when he didn't show up, the antichrist (Russell) started teaching that Christ's second coming was invisible. "His invisible presence" is a key phrase in JW doctrine.
The Bible thus, while teaching Christ's presence would be very secretive (he comes as a thief, without much observableness) does establish that he will arrive back in the flesh at the second coming. In fact, not as a perfect man again, but as an imperfect man with sins like everybody else.
KEY TEXTS: Lev. 23:17, showing the second wave offering (as in second coming) is with leaven, meaning with sin. The first wave offering, also fulfilled by Christ becomes part of the "unfermented cakes" celebration, which everybody knows the unfermented cakes represent the "sinless" physical state of the Christ. Thus the first wave offering representing the first coming is without leaven (without sin), the second wave offering representing the second coming is with leaven (imperfect man, with sin).
ZECH 3: Christ returns the second time as a king-priest, thus the messiah depicted here by high-priest Joshua who presents with befouled garments at the time of his becoming king is about the second coming. Not the first. It doesn't make sense the messiah who is sinless is depicted with sins to be forgiven and needs new robes. That is, it doesn't make sense for a sinless messiah, but at he second coming, since Christ is in an imperfect body, he is depicted as sinful, in fact, a man of recent sins with those stains fresh on his garments.
HOW exactly does this happen? Simple. Whatever elemental spiritual factor is involved with Christ becoming human is tranferred to some "individual" human. That is, something from heaven is combined with some specific human. At the first coming, because the combination was with an unfertilized ovum (cell in Mary's womb) what was born was perfect. That's because the "life" comes from the father. This child did not inherit Adamic sin. Even so, Christ was 100% human and 100% the child of Mary. At the second coming, again the spiritual element of Christ is tranferred into and combined with another human person. Only this time, not needing to be a perfect sacrifice again, he simply "possesses" (maybe in more ways than one) the body and identity of one of his secret followers.
Thus in Revelation the woman who flees to the "wilderness" away from Satan, which means she is a secret society organization of Christ's followers, not a public one, gives birth to the messiah, represented as a child who is caught up to God before the dragon, Satan, can devour it. Satan at this same time engages in a battle in heaven with Michael, the Archangel, whom all JWs know is Jesus Christ's heavenly angelic identity. So you see, there are TWO MESSIAHS at this moment in time. One in heaven, an angel, one born from this woman who is human. The child being caught up to God though, represents that the two messiahs are combined at this time. This is the time of the second coming. When Christ becomes human again and returns to the earth, Satan is kicked out of heaven.
So everybody who is thinking Christ will have an invisible presence rather than merely a secret one, is looking for the wrong thing. And others who are expecting a visible return, but maybe by a 50-foot Christ appearing in the sky calling them up to heaven are also looking for the wrong thing. Those who are expecting Christ to be an ordinary man with a sinful past, are the ones who are looking for the true messiah.
THE NATURE OF THE MESSIAH'S SINS AT SECOND COMING REVEALED: The change out of the befouled garments and the new robes given to Joshua who represents the sinful second-coming messiah, parallels the parable of the prodigal son, who upon returning from having left God, represented by the father, also gets new robes. How obvious can you get. This is high-priest Joshua returning to God's house, at which point the father now raises him above his faithful older brother and makes him the messiah, giving him a new robe, "the best one," which is equivalent to the "robes of state" mentioned at Zech 3. That means, he becomes the chief heir, the messiah. Several other parables relating to the second coming also involve the father giving the son a banquet. But we learn from this parable that the prodigal son's sins involve sexual misconduct, as it indicates he was in the "company of harlots," that is sexually loose persons not excluding prostitutes. So what does this mean? He's a Don Juan? Or is he a pimp that he's always in the company with harlots? OR, is he in the company with harlots because he himself is a harlot and prostitute? The latter becomes apparent when we link the "Rich Man and Lazarus" parable with the second coming as well, where Lazarus likewise, full of sores representing his state of spiritual sickness and sin, is outside the house of the Rich Man, representing the slave in charge of Jehovah's organization. But his sores are licked by dogs, linking dogs with the nature of his sins. In the Bible, a "dog" refers to men who have sex with male prostitutes. In ancient times male prostitues would castrate themselves, dress as women, and have anal sex with their clients, "doggy style", from behind, thus these men were euphemistically nicknamed as "dogs." But this also, Biblically speaking, relates to the nature of the messiah's weakness and sins, relating to being a male prostitute. But not the kind of male prostitute that seduces other gay men, but the kind that dresses as a woman and has sex with otherwise heterosexual males who have sex with transvestites or transgendered males. Thus we learn from the Bible's suggestion that the messiah might have been a passive homosexual, possibly a male prostitute who dressed up as a woman in order to have sex with bi-sexual men.
So if someone reading the Bible truly had insight and was truly looking for the messiah, these details alone would help them eliminate a whole lot of people. I believe some reports claim that 75% of all men, gay or straight are cross-dressing prostitutes at one time in their lives. (Ooops! sorry. That percentage might be a little exaggerated actually...) But basically, in search for the messiah, among other things, one would not be surprised by a background of male prostitution if we are going by the context provided by the Bible, combining the prodigal son parable where he is in the company of harlots, and the Lazarus who caters to "dogs", men who have sex with male prostitutes.
This is BAD. That's why high-priest Joshua is seen coming before God with befouled garments, those stains being not simply filth but the term conveying covered with excrement. Now the WTS and others get past the obvious by saying that since Christ bears the sins of the Jews and the whole world that the soiled garments he is wearing must represent their sins, not his personal sins. That's because it is such a contradiction to who the first-coming messiah was. A perfect and righteous man. How is it that he has sins to be forgiven? But the context clearly shows these are his personal sins because when he gets the new robes it represents him being forgiven, and they are the "robes of state," the robes of the messiah.
So, even those persons who might believe Christ will appear in the flesh, probably expecting some really righteous person being chosen, maybe some monk in an isolated monastery who spent all his life research ancient Biblical texts, or some anointed Jehovah's witness maybe of the anointed who was a zealous pioneer all his life, are looking for the wrong person. You see, the messiah doesn't even show up to become the messiah until the last minute. He's outside God's organization for the most part, out sinning and being a prostitute for most of the time until he finally returns close to the time of the second coming. Thus those on the watch, would be expecting someone who was an inactive or disfellowshipped JW to be returning near the time of the second coming; someone who had a background of homosexuality and male prostitution. That is, if you were really sincere about finding and identifying the true messiah, those would be some of the primary things to look for.
Of course, only those with insight, those who are depicted as "eagles" would actually be the first to see and acknowledge the Christ when he returned. They would have figured out a lot of other things from the Bible as well, such as WHERE to expect the messiah to appear. Apparently, to narrow things down, he would appear in the "north" and in the vicinity of the modern-day "throne of Satan," which is Arcadia, California. There's lots more, but I've gotten complaints about my long posts so I'll leave it to those who want to find and identify the messiah to search the scriptures and find out more about who he would be, where, and when he would arrive. But at least you have a few of the primary clues. But BIBLE CHRONOLOGY gives the specific year the messiah would arrive, in fact, within 4- months, so that should help to identify him, and since he is associated with the Rich Man's house, meaning JWs, he would reappear among Jehovah's witnesses, presumably in one of the congregations attending the Kingdom Hall where the Aracadia congregation meets. (Arcadia is near Santa Anita-Pasadena, in the San Gabriel Valley Area of Greater Los Angeles)
Hope you folks find him! When exactly is he supposed to arrive by the way? Does anybody know how to figure out the Bible chronology?
JCanon
On the subject of "Antichrist" the Apostle John was out of sync with the other Bible writers.
John was under the delusion that he would still be alive when Jesus returned. He actually thought the end was "very near". But there was a problem. The anti-christ had to appear. And there was no-one that could be called the anti-christ. So John came up with the idea that there were many Anti-Christ. He made a wild speculation. He claimed that all those who left the "way" were anti-christ. But such a statement contradicts Jesus' illustration of searching out the lost sheep. According to John if one of the sheep were missing it's because they left the "truth" and rather than recognizing their need to be guided back into the fold John labels them "antichrist".
John was off base.
Actually,
You are WAY off. Jesus spoke about the sheep who are having troubling times yet are still interested in coming back to his teachings, he was NOT speaking about those who left and want nothing to do with Jesus. This is the people who John talked about being the antichrist, the slefish people who wish only to turn the sheep into wolves to take more sheep away from the beliefs of God. kind like you.
-Aleman
Whatever...
the slefish people who wish only to turn the sheep into wolves to take more sheep away from the beliefs of God.
Now I'm lost. Am I a sheep or a wolf? A wheep? A Sholf?
Who is the antichrist? All of you are! The antichrist is a liar and a deceiver, bent on destroying a person’s relationship with Christ and with God.
My, my, Aleman. Engaging in a little presumptuous ad homenism aren't we? I won't go into all the scriptures about judging others as they've been covered already. For your information there are plenty on this forum here who'd agree with you that they are anti-Christs, as one or two already have. But I do not number myself among them and thoroughly take umbrage at your bigotry.
Your little rant assumes that Jehovah's Witnesses are God's sole chosen people and mouthpiece. I hate to burst your bubble but, as Peter acknowledged "I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him." (Acts 10:35,35) Search the Bible all you may but you will find no requirement that one be associated with any specific organization to be in God's good graces. God's arrangement is with individuals, not corporations or organizations. We all have to stand before him individually, and we all will have to give an account for ourselves to him as individuals. No institution, can or will be able to do that for us.
Please consider the following warning from Jesus before you launch another sort of tirade:
...Whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says "you despicable fool!" will be liable to the fiery Ge-hen'na. (Matt. 5:22)
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to find myself in danger of that judgment from God.
Forscher
about those who left and want nothing to do with Jesus
aleman, you presume too much. Not everyone who posts here is an ex-witness.
the slefish people who wish only to turn the sheep into wolves to take more sheep away from the beliefs of God.Now I'm lost. Am I a sheep or a wolf? A wheep? A Sholf?
Maybe a weresheep?
aleman, you presume too much. Not everyone who posts here is an ex-witness.
Exactly
