Angels, Angels everywhere! (need research help)

by lovelylil 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Just wondering what the societies official stance is on Angel decorations or figurines??

    I guess I did not pay too much attention to this when I was in the Borg, probably assuming they would believe having such things in your home was either; opening it up to Satan or that it is a form of idolatry.

    This Q came up in a conversation with my brother today because I was telling him about a new Angel figurine I bought for my collection (starting collecting about 3 years ago) and he used to study with the Witnesses, so he is like "Isn't having those against the Bible?". He swears he was told this by the elder he studied with but cannot recollect a scripture to support this view.

    As for me, I have no problem collecting them and don't look at them as idolatry since I am not praying to them or worshipping them. I simply think they are beautiful to look at. I even remember my sister in-law studying the Bible with a Witness in CT, and she had tons of Angel things around her home. Her study conductor never said anything about them.

    So does the Society make an official stance on this, or is it just the opinion of certain Witnesses that they are wrong? Also, I don't have my WT CD-ROM anymore so I would appreciate any references the society gives for their views, if they are indeed against having such things in your home. Thanks, Lilly

  • R.F.
    R.F.

    Good question, and it's one I haven't considered before. I don't have my WT-cdrom with me at the moment so I can't search either.

    My parents though, viewed it as not being right to have them sitting out in the open. Sometimes, "worldly" people would give them to them as gifts, but they didn't throw them away. The just kept them hid out of view.

    Perhaps it's also on the JW list of "Things You Can't Do or Have".

    R.F.

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    Would they consider the fact that you collect them to look at because they're beautiful as a form of idolatry?

    And also that collecting 'unnecessary' things would be worldly greed?

    Just thinking out loud here! Maybe it'll jog someone's memory.

  • Invetigator74
    Invetigator74

    Here is something of interest from QFR:
    *** w80 11/1 pp. 28-30 Cherubs in Israel’s Worship—Why No Idolatry? ***

    Cherubs in Israel’s Worship—Why No Idolatry?

    THE Ten Commandments for Israel were introduced against an awesome background of God’s power and glory when God “came down upon [Mount Sinai] in fire; and its smoke kept ascending like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain was trembling very much.” On that occasion God said: “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.” As Moses explained, the true God had come with such magnificence “in order that the fear of him may continue before your faces that you may not sin.”—Ex. 19:18; 20:4, 5, 20.

    With this law against idolatry so strongly emphasized to them, some might ask why Israel was also commanded to make two golden cherubs to be mounted on the cover of the ark of the covenant within the Most Holy compartment of the tabernacle. Besides this, the entire framework of the structure was covered with linen cloths, embroidered on the inner side with colorful figures of cherubs.—Ex. 25:18; 26:1.

    When this tabernacle was later replaced by Solomon’s temple, “all the walls of [the temple] round about he carved with engraved carvings of cherubs,” and “he made in the innermost room [the Most Holy] two cherubs of oil-tree wood, ten cubits being the height of each one.” Also, the doors of the temple and the sidewalls of the copper carriages for temple use were decorated with cherubs and other figures.—1 Ki. 6:29, 32, 23; 7:27-29.

    Did the making of cherubs and other carved images for the temple not constitute idolatry?

    Not All Images Are Idols

    An idol is an image, a representation of anything or a symbol that is an object of devotion, whether material or imagined. Idolatry with the use of images and symbols is widespread. Even in the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel two golden calves were set up for idolatrous worship, and, during the reign of one of the later kings, Baal worship was established, with an altar and a sacred pole being erected.—1 Ki. 12:28; 16:29, 31-33.

    However, God’s law not to form images did not rule out the making of all representations and statues. As noted above, figures of cherubs were used to decorate the tabernacle in the wilderness and Solomon’s temple in Jerusalem. According to ancient Jewish tradition, these cherubs had human form. They represented angelic creatures. Those on the cover of the ark of the covenant were described as “glorious cherubs.” (Heb. 9:5) In every detail they were made “according to . . . the pattern” Moses received from Jehovah.—Ex. 25:9.

    These cherubs indicated the royal presence of Jehovah, who said: “I will present myself to you there and speak with you from above the cover, from between the two cherubs that are upon the ark of the testimony.” (Ex. 25:22) Hence, in a representative way, Jehovah was said to be “sitting upon [or, “between”] the cherubs.” (1 Sam. 4:4; 2 Ki. 19:15) Thus Jehovah impressed upon the serving high priest of the nation, who alone was allowed to enter the Most Holy once a year, that He as God was the Ruler in Israel.—Heb. 9:7; Isa. 33:22.

    The other representations of cherubs, in the tabernacle and temple interior, were seen also by the officiating underpriests. So they, too, were impressed deeply by Jehovah’s holy presence.

    As we have seen, these cherubic representations were not inventions of men. Jehovah himself ordered that they be placed in the temple for the purpose of making the priesthood fully aware of his presence. Also, they could not be objects of veneration by the people, because the people in general did not see the cherubs and therefore were not induced to treat them idolatrously. (Num. 4:4-6, 17-20) Instead of encouraging idolatry, these cherubic representations constantly reminded Israel’s priesthood of their relationship to the Most High, the ruling King in Israel, the One who exacted exclusive devotion.—Deut. 6:13-15.

    The first encounter of humans with real cherubs was outside the garden of Eden, when Adam and Eve had sinned and Jehovah God had put them out of the garden “and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life.” Man had defied God’s position as Sovereign Ruler, and the cherubs as the upholders of the throne of Jehovah blocked the way back into an intimate relationship with Jehovah in the earthly paradise.—Gen. 3:23, 24.

    However, the cherubs that later overshadowed the propitiatory cover of the Ark showed that Jehovah was again in the midst of his people Israel. God sat between the cherubs, indicating that he had opened the way into a proper relationship with him.

    The priests in Israel bore the greatest responsibility, to keep the people in a proper relationship with Jehovah, “for the lips of a priest are the ones that should keep knowledge, and the law is what people should seek from his mouth.” (Mal. 2:7) The “fear of Jehovah,” as the “beginning of knowledge” and “the start of wisdom,” was to be included in their teaching. (Prov. 1:7; 9:10) Their service in the tabernacle, and later in the temple, constantly reminded them of the presence of Jehovah and implanted a proper fear of Jehovah in their own hearts so that they, in turn, could instill this fear in the people.

    However, what happened in the prophet Ezekiel’s days? Alas, the people of the land, under the guidance of their older men, turned away from the presence of Jehovah. In a vision, Ezekiel was brought into the inner courtyard of the temple to see 70 men of the elderly ones of the house of Israel committing idolatry in one of the inner rooms of the temple. They said: “Jehovah is not seeing us. Jehovah has left the land.” (Ezek. 8:9-12) This happened right within the temple without interference on the part of the priests. Because of this idolatry, God brought destruction on Jerusalem and its temple, including its cherubic decorations, in the year 607 B.C.E. Destruction came not because of idolatry in connection with cherubic decorations but because Israel forgot the very thing that the cherubs should have made them realize, namely, the presence of Jehovah as the God exacting exclusive devotion.

    So, as Christians in this time, let us hold fast our faith, “keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” May we act in faith as seeing the Invisible One, Jehovah.—Heb. 11:27; 2 Pet. 3:12.

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    investigator,

    Thanks for posting that. It is a little hard to read though. I am reading it to mean that if you bow down in worship to a figurine (idol) then it would be wrong. That would leave me out since I don't use my Angel figurines for religious worship in any way. I don't pray to them, bow down to them in any way, nor do I believe in guardian Angels protecting me. I simply use them as decorations because I find them lovely to look at.

    Anyone else have information to add?? Lilly

  • Magick
    Magick

    a jw who is solid in their faith would know that the society frowns on having any image in their home. even if it represents god, jesus, mary or the angels. they would consider it too close to false religion. it's like decorating your house with pumpkins on Thanksgiving or Halloween, or a Evergreens during Christmas. Besides, it is usually Christendom that manufacture and use of images of angels. (it's really china)

    These are probably the scriptures you'd be read if an Elder decided to councel you:

    "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." (Matt. 4:10)

    When the apostle John fell down to worship before the angel who had been instrumental in giving the revelation to him, the angel told him: "Be careful! Do not do that! . . . Worship God."—Rev. 19:10.

    : "We are walking by faith, not by sight." (2 Cor. 5:7)

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    magick,

    Thanks, thats what I thought. btw you are correct, most of my Angels say "made in China", ha,ha,ha Lilly

  • Magick
    Magick

    If you are a christian and are wondering about having angel figures. Here's what one christian (not jw) said:

    Nowhere in the Bible does it teach that familiar spirits use things such as angel-shaped objects to come into our homes. An angel figurine is no different in power than a Mickey Mouse or a teddy bear. They are not idols or graven images. They are made of plastic, porcelain, cloth, or other materials. They have no special powers in the spirit world or otherwise. My wife and I have a collection of angels in our home. They are a constant reminder to us that God has created angels to bless, protect, and minister to us. It gives us an opportunity to tell visitors to our home how wonderful God is. An angel figurine is a problem only if a person worships it or prays to it.

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    magick,

    Thanks again! That is kinda how I feel personally about having my Angels. Peace, Lilly

  • bite me
    bite me

    I don't believe or think having angels in your home is a form of idoltary. I personally think they are pretty to look at too. As you said, it's not like you are praying to or worshiping them. Just as I see the Cross as a symbol of my religion (not catholic though- in case someone is wondering) I don't pull it out and pray or kiss it. It's just a reminder (cross, stake, tree) regardless of ones belief, Jesus died for us and the cross is my belief. My JW friends do think though that the cross is wrong and I shouldn't carry it because it is idoltary, but oh well. If I am personally confronted by the LORD about it I will ask for forgiveness and be accepted in heaven to sit on my little white fluffy cloud.

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