A big welcome to Aleman

by 5go 29 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • 5go
    5go

    Might as well.

    How you doing?

    Where are you from?

    What brought you to JWD?

    BTW Are you aware of the huge child abuse settlement the watchtower society just paid out?

    Jehovah's Witnesses Settle Abuse Cases
    By ROSE FRENCH 05.10.07, 6:14 PM ET

    A victims' rights group released documents Thursday that showed the Jehovah's Witnesses recently settled civil suits with 16 people who claimed they were sexually abused by church elders or that church officials failed to act on abuse allegations.

    The group, called silentlambs, held a news conference in Nashville to demand that the denomination change its policy for responding to sex abuse reports.

    Settlements were reached in late February and early March, according to court records obtained by silentlambs and posted to the group's Web site. Fourteen of the cases were filed in California; the other two were in Oregon and Texas.

    Details about the settlement terms could not be disclosed under confidentiality agreements negotiated between the parties, said Stephen Owens, a plaintiffs' attorney involved in the California cases. Other cases are still pending, according to silentlambs, which couldn't say how many.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses, whose headquarters are in Brooklyn, N.Y., said Thursday that they were pleased to see the lawsuits resolved, declining further comment.

    "Our loving heavenly Father makes it clear in his Word, the Bible, that he abhors child abuse," a statement from the denomination said.

    "As an organization, we will continually strive to educate families and congregations with sound Scriptural teachings that they can use to protect their children from child molesters. And we will continue to do our utmost to protect children from this horrible crime and sin."

    William Bowen, silentlambs' founder, was a Jehovah's Witnesses elder from Kentucky who quit the denomination after he said it took no action against a molester. Bowen said the settlements were bittersweet.

    "On one hand, we're glad a few victims are finally getting some financial help," he said. "On the other hand, we're sad and worried because they've essentially been forced to give up their right to protect others by speaking out about their abuse to the public."

    Bowen's group has criticized the Jehovah's Witnesses' policy that if an accused abuser denies the charge, two credible witnesses are required to establish guilt - due to literal application of such Bible verses as Deuteronomy 19:15 ("only on the evidence of two witnesses, or of three witnesses, shall a charge be sustained").

    If two witnesses are lacking, the accused is deemed innocent, charges remain confidential and - silentlambs says - parents who warn others are subject to disfellowshipping for slander.

    Disfellowshipping is an extreme penalty that means a total cutoff of relationships by family members, friends and business associates who are Witnesses.

    There are about 1 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States, and followers are known for distributing Awake! and Watchtower magazines door-to-door.

    Bowen also said Jehovah's Witnesses have a long-standing policy of not reporting molesters to police. He claims that the denomination has a secret database of accused abusers that they have not shared with law enforcement officials.

    "They keep putting innocent kids and unsuspecting families at risk of horrible crimes because they value their secrecy and reputations more than they value children's safety," Bowen said.

    Since establishing silentlambs in 2001, Bowen says about 7,000 people who claim they were abused have contacted his group.

    Angelique Taylor, 42, a silentlambs member from St. Louis, said she was molested by a Jehovah's Witnesses elder when she was about 12. Taylor said she told her father, who was also an elder, and he said she was making a big deal out of nothing.

    "I want every elder, every Jehovah's Witness, whenever they suspect any abuse, they go to the police and tell them about the problems," Taylor said. "The devastation of sex abuse is unbelievable."

    Associated Press reporter Allison Hoffman in San Diego contributed to this report.

    Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published broadcast, rewritten, or redistribute

    Fox News

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- A group was in Nashville Thursday to show support for those who claim they’ve been abused by some Jehovah’s Witnesses members. Video: Group Protests Religion Members After Abuse Settlements Lawsuits have recently been settled in some cases, but not to the satisfaction of the group, Silent Lambs.

    The group met with local resistance from Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Woodbine.

    For six years, the Kentucky-based organization has offered support to people accusing Jehovah’s Witness church members of abuse. In March, more than one dozen settlements were reached in molestation cases, but the agreements came with gag orders attached.

    “We find this bittersweet. On one hand, we’re glad a few victims are finally getting some financial help. But on the other hand, we’re sad and worried because they’ve essentially -- they have been forced to give up their rights,” said founder of Silent Lambs Bill Bowen.

    Bowen's group has criticized the Jehovah's Witnesses' policy that if an accused abuser denies the charge, two credible witnesses are required to establish guilt -- due to literal application of such Bible verses as Deuteronomy 19:15 ("only on the evidence of two witnesses, or of three witnesses, shall a charge be sustained"). If two witnesses are lacking, the accused is deemed innocent, charges remain confidential and -- silentlambs says -- parents who warn others are subject to disfellowshipping for slander. Disfellowshipping is an extreme penalty that means a total cutoff of relationships by family members, friends and business associates who are Witnesses. There are about 1 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States, and followers are known for distributing Awake! and Watchtower magazines door-to-door. Victims of abuse from various faiths spoke at the presentation. “When I was around 8 years old, I was molested by a teenager who was a member of my church, the Christian Gospel Temple,” said Jennifer Beta. “There are thousands of us out there and thousands of children who need our help right now,” said Angelica Taylor. According to Silent Lambs, Jehovah’s Witnesses encourage abuse by not reporting allegations to police and choosing to handle individual cases internally. The Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn was supposed to send a faxed response Thursday but had not done so by deadline.

  • poppers
    poppers

    Marked. I anxiously await his response to your thread. He and I have been PMing. I am curious if he will be forthright publicly on why he is here.

  • R.Crusoe
    R.Crusoe

    Curious? Why is anyone here?

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    I'm here because most of these people understand the struggles of post-JW life better than anyone else I've talked to.

    And a big "Anti-Christ" welcome from me to the Ale-man.

  • Aleman
    Aleman

    Does this mean you welcome my opinion?

    Cool! here it goes.

    People are sinners, this everyone knows, more now than before. However just because of the acts of one person doesn't condem everyone who is in the org. It's like saying that all blonds are dumb, not true. This act was really bad and they did what they had to do. Case close. But I guess you can't let it go because of past issues you may have with them that make you who you are, Antichrist. If you read the bible you will notice that Jehovah wants the best for us. Return to the truth and allow the light shine on you like it has on me. Follow Jehovah and his son King Jesus, not the sinnful people that are in the congragation or WTBS. Just Jehovah.

    -Aleman

  • Paralipomenon
    Paralipomenon
    Follow Jehovah and his son King Jesus, not the sinnful people that are in the congragation or WTBS. Just Jehovah.

    You must remember the parable of the house built on a foundation of sand. If the organization is being directed by sinful people, how can you really be sure that what they decide is Jehovah's way?

    Welcome though!

  • BFD
    BFD

    Welcome, aleman. And, yes your opinions are welcome here.

    Your Jehovah is being spoon fed to you from the evil slave.

    Why is that you came here? I must have missed the explanation.

    BFD

  • AlphaOmega
    AlphaOmega
    People are sinners, this everyone knows, more now than before. However just because of the acts of one person doesn't condem everyone who is in the org. It's like saying that all blonds are dumb, not true. This act was really bad and they did what they had to do. Case close. But I guess you can't let it go because of past issues you may have with them that make you who you are, Antichrist. If you read the bible you will notice that Jehovah wants the best for us. Return to the truth and allow the light shine on you like it has on me. Follow Jehovah and his son King Jesus, not the sinnful people that are in the congragation or WTBS. Just Jehovah.

    We are in no way tarring all JWs with the paedophile brush... whilst the individual blame does lie with those who carried out these acts, there is another blame placed at the feet of the poilcy makers on the Governing Body.

    The policy protected the Watchtower organisation from bad publicity, and at the same time prevented the protection of future victims.

    Not sure if you have looked into the policy or even watched the news about it, but it isn't simply a case of "let bygones be bygones" - the repercusions are still with us, and will be with the victims for evermore !

    Return to the truth and allow the light shine on you like it has on me.

    It shines on ALL of us, believer and unbeliever alike.

    Matthew (5:43)

    You have heard people say, "Love your neighbors and hate your enemies."

    (5:44)

    But I tell you to love your enemies and pray for anyone who mistreats you.

    (5:45)

    Then you will be acting like your Father in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both good and bad people. And he sends rain for the ones who do right and for the ones who do wrong.

    (5:46)

    If you love only those people who love you, will God reward you for that? Even tax collectors love their friends.

    (5:47)

    If you greet only your friends, what's so great about that? Don't even unbelievers do that?

    (5:48)

    But you must always act like your Father in heaven.

    ...and yes, all are welcome here - so WELCOME ABOARD.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    A-man:

    Sounds like your experience is very limited.....in other words, your opinions are based on limited knowledge on what's out there and what other options (better?) there might be. Your 'gospel' doesn't sound like the Gospel that Christ taught, so for us who've been down life's road a little longer, your opinions don't ring "true". However, WELCOME to the bored board!

    D.E.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    Follow Jehovah and his son King Jesus, not the sinnful people that are in the congragation or WTBS. Just Jehovah.

    -Aleman

    Sounds like good advice on the surface, agreed. They asked me to DA myself for doing so. They don't really like Jesus over there.

    Jeff

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