My Daugthers refusal to join us for secular holidays!

by KARINNJIM 29 Replies latest social family

  • kls*
    kls*

    if you had a daugther, how would you separate her from this church and not really choose a religion for her, but bring her back into her loving family.

    Depending on how deep she is in do research on jws and try to drop hints of what the real jw religion / cult is about , try to put some doubts in her mind . It won't be easy and she may rebel against you or anyone that trys to show the real lies of the wt . None of this will be easy and maybe very painful and the out come , you just never know.

    Anything is worth a try

    My best to you

    kls

  • Warlock
    Warlock
    I don't understand, why my daugther refuses to come to her home during both thanksgiving and christmas. we are trying to understand her beliefs, and keep an open mind. we just want her to come and partake of being with her family....during these family times.

    You don't understand?

    Your daughter hasn't explained it to you?

    JW's just can't seem to keep their mouth shut in explaining to people why they don't celebrate the holidays.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm

    Warlock

  • carla
    carla

    but what kind of religion teaches one to hurt or better yet to choose their faith over their family? --- The jehovah witnesses do. A jw will choose the organization over spouse, parents and even their own children. I'm sorry you have to go through this. The jw's are a dangerous and deadly cult check out some of these sites and also try googling jw's and see the damage done by this wretched cult.

    http://www.freeminds.org/

    http://www.silentlambs.org/

    http://ajwrb.org/index.shtml

    http://www.jwfiles.com/index.htm

    http://www.docbob.org/

    http://www.premier1.net/~raines/mental.html

    http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/New_World_Translation/mantey_discussion.htm

    http://www.freeminds.org/history/history.htm

    http://www.bible.ca/jw-hitler.htm

    http://corior.blogspot.com/

    http://forananswer.org/Top_JW/Scholars%20and%20NWT.htm

    http://user.tninet.se/%7Eoof408u/fkf/english/epage.htm

    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

    http://www.freeminds.org/history/fraud.htm

    http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Beliefs/their_beliefs.htm

    http://www.uq.net.au/~zzmstefa/JWPages.htm

    http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studymindctr/study_mindctr_lifton.htm

    http://www.jwfacts.com/

    http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/

    http://www.factnet.org/coercivemindcontrol.html

    http://jwinfo.8m.com/misquotes.htm

    http://www.xjw.com/shunning.html

    http://www.watchtower.cc/

    http://www.disfellowshipped.org/WTfalseprophecy.htm

    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/jws-vs-the-world/sons-of-jehovahs-witnesses-return-from-iraq-without-welcome/#more-200

    some youtubes for you-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-40YmWfg9sQ&NR

    http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/JEHOVAHSWITNESSES.htm

    http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/respond.htm

    http://www.factnet.org/Margaret_Thaler_Singer/Margaret_Singer.html

  • snowbird
  • TheSilence
    TheSilence
    if you had a daugther, how would you separate her from this church and not really choose a religion for her, but bring her back into her loving family.

    My dad is a witness and raised us in the religion. My mom never agreed. My dad was hospitalized when my younger sister was 16 and so my sister had to move back with my mom until that situation was ended. My mom didn't want my sister to go to the meetings so my sister threatened to run away and hide with various witnesses if my mom wouldn't let her attend. The agreement they came to was that my mom would let her attend meetings if my sister would see a therapist.

    My mom talked to the therapist beforehand and explained that she felt my sister was brainwashed and in a cult. The therapist said she had never heard any such thing about the witnesses and felt my mom was probably overreacting, but agreed to sit down with my sister to assess the situation. After an hour with my sister the therapist asked to speak with my mom again. The therapist said my mom was absolutely right... and at that point there was nothing my mom could do about it. Trying to pry my sister away from her faith was only going to push her further and further away. The therapist's advice was to try to keep the peace, remain as close as possible, and maintain a bond so that if my sister ever got to the point where she wanted out she had that relationship as a lifeline.

    That being said, my sister was raised in the religion, I gather your daughter was not. My sister had been indoctrinated for many, many years. I don't know the situation with your daughter. I think giving you advice is premature without knowing just how long your daughter has studied or how far in she is. If she is already fully indoctrinated, for lack of a better term, my advice is the same as the therapist's. However, if she is newly studying and just now starting to cut off holidays and family time then perhaps she would be more open to you showing her some of the errors, fallacies, manipulations, etc. that are so prevalent within the organization. However, you have to be careful in how you do it. She has been told that her family and friends will object and that this is the persecution they face for having the truth... so tread lightly or you are only proving an obvious prediction they have already made.

    It's a tough tightrope to walk, and I wish you all the best with it. I hope you find some way to get her out before she becomes too entrenched.

    Best of luck,

    Jackie

  • TheSilence
    TheSilence
    Shouldn't this be a tipoff?

    I try not to be too jaded, and offering a bit of advice is not putting so much of myself out there that I wouldn't be willing to risk it. It costs me nothing but a few minutes to type a reply. And even if all does not pan out... perhaps someone lurking but afraid to post the very same question will find some use for what advice is given.

    Jackie

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    Snow,

    I'm not buying it either.

    Warlock

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    She feels that celebrating a holiday with you would be compromising her dedication to Jehovah.
    That is the supposition put into her mind by the WTS.
    So there is no use in arguing the point. She will only see this as satanic subversiveness and a test. If she further refuses, she passes the "test", and only strengthens her resolve.

    The only thing you can do is be understanding and try and see what you can come up with in order to spend time together. Emphasize that the main point is that you want to spend time together as a family. Say that the traditions are secondary to you. It's being together with her that is most important to you. Ask her how this might be accomplished.

    Sometimes JWs will be accepting of some kind of bone you throw out there, some kind of twist you put into a holiday get-together which makes them feel like they're not actually celebrating the holiday, but they get to spend time with you anyway.

    For example, for Thanksgiving, say you just want to have family time together since it's one of those rare times everyone is off from work. The twist you may throw in is that you will be eating a baked ham rather than turkey. After all, it's just a meal.

    Get what I mean? Just emphasize wanting to spend time with her rather than making it seem like you are cornering her into doing something that she feels will make Jehovah mad or disappointed with her.

    Longer term, I don't advise EVER attacking her religion or her beliefs. Read "Combatting Cult Mind Control" for starters on what you're up against. Do this before TRYING anything.

    Best wishes from someone who has been there,

    M.J.

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    My Daugthers refusal to join us for secular holidays!

    Shouldn't this be a tipoff?

    Sylvia

    "Suspected Troll in Sector 1235WTBTS" "Initiating DEFCON 2" "Shields are Up Captain" "Proton Torpedoes Ready, Captain" "Warp Drive Engaged, Captain" "Transporter Room, recall Officer CultBuster from 25 Columbia Heights immediately" "Aye, Captain"

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    "Suspected Troll in Sector 1235WTBTS" "Initiating DEFCON 2" "Shields are Up Captain" "Proton Torpedoes Ready, Captain" "Warp Drive Engaged, Captain" "Transporter Room, recall Officer CultBuster from 25 Columbia Heights immediately" "Aye, Captain"

    You so bad, Honesty! ROFL.

    Sylvia

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