Seeker:Evolution doesn't "just happen."
Well it must have happened from something at some time Everything that exists happened at one time.
Again...What are the stats that they could happen?
Evolution describes the change over time of a population, but does not discuss original causes. That is a different topic. When I said evolution doesn't just happen, I was referring to the gradual changes that occur, something I thought you meant when you used the word "evolution."
Seeker: (Quoting my reply)
Many non christian writers/historians have written of the man Jesus...that he truely existed, did what the bible say's he did.Seekers reply:Not true, hardly any non-Christian writers/historians mention Jesus
How about these guys to name a few
These sources all wrote that Jesus did what the Bible says he did? I don't think so. Let's take your sources and see what we have:
1.Cornelius Tacitus
He wrote in 120 CE, "Nero punished...a class of men, loathed for their vices, whom the crowd styled Christians. Christus, the founder of the name, had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus."
That ain't much, and is merely repeating what he heard, almost 90 years after Jesus died.
2.Lucian of samosata
He wrote about 175 CE, about "the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world."
Yes, and? Is that it? Another person, a century-and-a-half after Jesus, writing about what he had heard.
3.Suetonius
He wrote about 120 CE, ""As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome."
Same story. Getting the picture? Not much about Jesus other than that he existed, and people followed him. The exact same thing could be said about Mohammed.
4. Pliny the Younger
He wrote in 112 CE that Christians sang "a hymn to Christ as to a god." Not much about Jesus or his life there, just noticing a cultural phenomenon.
5.Thallus
Thallus was a Samaritan freedman of the Emperor Tiberius who wrote a history of Greece and Asia, who mentions an eclipse of the sun. In 221 CE, a Christian writer, Sextus Julius Africanus notes that "Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun." Thallus does not refer to a Jesus, only to an eclipse, which a Christian used to bolster the Christian story.
6.Phlegon
Appears not to have mentioned Jesus after all:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/thallus.html
7. mara Bar Serapion
He, writing later than 73 CE to his son, said, "What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king?... He lived on in the teaching which he had given."
Not much about Jesus the man, or what he did, just a repeating of something he heard about.
8. josephus
The quotes attributed to Josephus seem to be spurious. Christian defenders as early as Clement of Alexandria (150-215 CE) never cited what Josephus supposedly said about Christ. Origen (185-254), who dealt extensively with Josephus, wrote that Josephus did not believe Jesus to be the messiah nor proclaim him as such. Eusebius, in 324 CE, first mentions the passage about Chist (twice), and is likely the forger of it.
These writers, who lived at the time that Jesus supposedly lived, left a library of Jewish and Pagan literature, in which not one mention of Jesus or of his apostles or his disciples appears: Arrian, Plutarch, Apollonius, Hermogones, Appian, Damis, Aulus Gellius, Appion of Alexandria, Philo Judaeus, Petronius, Juvenal, Quintilian, Silius Italicus, Phlegon, Pausanias, Dio Chrysostom, Favorinus, Seneca, Dion Pruseus, Martial, Lucanus, Statius, Phaedrus, Florus Lucius, Columella, Lysias, Theon of Myrna, Pliny the Elder, Paterculus, Persius, Justus of Tiberius, Epictetus, Ptolemy, Valerius Maximus, Quintius Curtius, Valerius Flaccus, and Pomponius Mela.
You'd have to wonder why something supposedly as amazing as the life of Christ missed their notice entirely.
I just gave you a list of those that wrote a great deal about him.
Well, now you know better.
