YHWH and the Tinkerbell Effect

by Satanus 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Interesting thought.

    From a historical perspective, gods do die when people cease to believe in them, and the monotheistic "God" is not above that.

    But I think there are opposite trends within theism. The socially conquering (or re-conquering) side cannot be satisfied with being a minority (or too small a minority). But there is also a socially defensive side which thrives on being "the chosen few" and would dread the idea of everybody, or even the majority, believing like them -- because their faith would no longer make them different.

    Strange as it may seem, I find something beautiful in the idea of someone considering him/herself the last believer and struggling to keep on believing, for his god not to die.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Remember that Star Trek episode, where they happen upon a planet where this being exists who was the "Apollo" of Greek mythology? The crew refused to believe in him, and after much resistance, he vaporized himself and went away to be with his fellow "gods." Kirk's final words were to the effect (and not without a degree of remorse): "We've outgrown the need for gods...but, perhaps it wouldn't have been too much of us to offer just one fatted calf for Apollo."

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Ona

    Gods, as deluded, needy, ephemeral beings. Hehe.

    Narkissos

    Good points.

    'a socially defensive side which thrives on being "the chosen few" and would dread the idea of everybody, or even the majority, believing like them -- because their faith would no longer make them different.'

    I/when theism ever does a major shrink job, i could see that happening. Pockets of god's special people, holding out in various states, provinces or areas. Puritans leaving england for the new world, a continent for the glory of god comes to mind.

    'someone considering him/herself the last believer and struggling to keep on believing, for his god not to die.'

    Perhaps a conservation area for old gods and their supporters.. ;)

    Snowbird

    Good for you.

    R.Crusoe

    Sounds like you walk the path of personal experience.

    S

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Among Nietzsche's many variations on the theme of "God's death," there is one fascinating passage in Zarathustra where the murderer of God appears in the (non-)form "the ugliest man," the man that couldn't bear to be seen -- especially with pity. God's pity prevented him to despise himself, God's sight prevented him to hide and vanish -- as he ought to. This text is a frightening glance into the worst nightmare -- or rather insomnia: a "God" (or conscience) that we could not switch off, or kill, and that would not even let us disappear -- i.e. the very concept of "God" if taken seriously, the opposite of a "Tinkerbell" God.

    Fortunately, most believers seem to be good at "switching off" or "killing" their God quite often, or at least just enough to make it bearable.

    Perhaps a conservation area for old gods and their supporters.. ;)

    There is also the happy old man in the forest at the beginning of Zarathustra, who never heard that God was dead. Zarathustra doesn't tell him.

    Zarathustra answered: "I love mankind."
    "Why," said the saint, "did I go into the forest and the desert? Was it not because I loved men far too well?
    Now I love God: men, I do not love. Man is a thing too imperfect for me. Love to man would be fatal to me."
    Zarathustra answered: "What spake I of love! I am bringing gifts unto men."
    "Give them nothing," said the saint. "Take rather part of their load, and carry it along with them- that will be most agreeable unto them: if only it be agreeable unto thee!
    If, however, thou wilt give unto them, give them no more than an alms, and let them also beg for it!"
    "No," replied Zarathustra, "I give no alms. I am not poor enough for that."
    The saint laughed at Zarathustra, and spake thus: "Then see to it that they accept thy treasures! They are distrustful of anchorites, and do not believe that we come with gifts.
    The fall of our footsteps ringeth too hollow through their streets. And just as at night, when they are in bed and hear a man abroad long before sunrise, so they ask themselves concerning us: Where goeth the thief?
    Go not to men, but stay in the forest! Go rather to the animals! Why not be like me- a bear amongst bears, a bird amongst birds?"
    "And what doeth the saint in the forest?" asked Zarathustra.
    The saint answered: "I make hymns and sing them; and in making hymns I laugh and weep and mumble: thus do I praise God.
    With singing, weeping, laughing, and mumbling do I praise the God who is my God. But what dost thou bring us as a gift?"
    When Zarathustra had heard these words, he bowed to the saint and said: "What should I have to give thee! Let me rather hurry hence lest I take aught away from thee!"- And thus they parted from one another, the old man and Zarathustra, laughing like schoolboys.
    When Zarathustra was alone, however, he said to his heart: "Could it be possible! This old saint in the forest hath not yet heard of it, that God is dead!"
  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'Fortunately, most believers seem to be good at "switching off" or "killing" their God quite often, or at least just enough to make it bearable.'

    Interesting problem for theists. The mystical spiritual experience of oness, instead of being a prodding conscience, is more about freedom. This freedom is a result of the realisation that they are god. They also see god in everything, nature, stones, etc. Hard to explain. Anyway, the problem isn't in shutting it off, but in keeping it turned on.

    S

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket

    Tinkerbell is gay! Oops! Wrong discussion!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Hey, ms duck

    If you believe that she is, then she is ;)

    S

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The nice thing about gods and fairies, is that they are whatever you believe they are.

    S

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