THIS IS THE BIBLE PASSAGE... (page 2)

bite me

i wish i can find that one bible passage to save my friends.

snowbird

i wish i can find that one bible passage to save my friends.

(((((((Bite Me)))))))

Sylvia

R.F.

She's in a university now on a full scholarship and intends to pioneer when she's done with college!!!
Good news there. College does a number on the whole mind-control thing. Good luck!

That's what I was thinking. How much longer does she have at college?

snowbird

How much longer does she have at college?

She graduated May 2007, so she has just begun.

Sylvia

JCanon

Yes, and the answer is partly what Bite Me said and because she thinks JW's are the best. It's all she has known; she's 18 and self-supporting; so I have to bite my tongue a lot.

This is TYPICAL! Many, many can see the doctrinal points, understand the contradictions but they will also say, "Okay, WHERE is the true religion, then? This is the best I've found so I'm going to stick with it, even though there are flaws, whatever." Another one is, "They have love among themselves, so this is Jehovah's organization." So they are impressed with having the "true religion" as far as they are concerned based upon the organization's cleanliness and friendliness and the Biblical issues just take a back seat. Those who are more into the religion for doctrine rather than a social situation find it easier to leave.

I can understand it though. You've got kids that need to grow up around other kids who share your views so remaining a witness makes sense from a social point of view. Some people need the safety of numbers and some don't. Just as long as they don't pretend a false teaching isn't true. Just as long as they understand you have a Bliblical basis for not following.

What I even recommend to some, especially those with relatives in the truth, is to just BECOME INACTIVE. Move to an area that don't know you as a witness is an easy way to do it. If the brothers come by, that's fine. Just be an inactive person. If you officially dissociate or get disfellowshipped then that's a heavy price to pay. Each has to make up their own minds. I know some who attend the meetings but refuse to take any responsibility as far as being an elder or ministerial servant. They like the congregation socially and it keeps peace in the home, but that's as far as they go. They don't want anything more than that.

I TRIED IT, but it failed... I have elderly parents in the truth and so I tried going to the meetings, just sitting in the back with my shades on ignoring the brothers. I like to sing so I told myself at least I could sing three songs. Ironically, while you're disfellowshipped nobody can talk to you but if you sing everybody hears you (well, those around you). But then it got too hard to do that. I got tired of reading other things during the meetings and it backfired on me. Wanna know what was frustrating? Every now and then the congregation would bust out laughing about something somebody said and I'd miss it! It was frustrating. So eventually, I'd sneak out for a walk. Then the walks got longer and longer. Pretty soon, after singing the first song, I pretend to go to the bathroom and sneak out and barely make it back before the meeting was over! Of course, the attendants could see I was skipping the meetings. My parents presumed I was just in the back so they didn't catch on, but it was obvious I wasn't there to "repent" or try to have any interest whatsoever in the meetings. So then I just decided to stay in the car and nap. My dad didn't like that at all. After all, if I bothered to come all that way and refused to go inside that was too much of a "message" for him to handle so they preferred I didn't do that. Soooo, I'm happily not involved at all. It's hard to be phony sometimes.

JCanon

Guest with Questions

Those who are more into the religion for doctrine rather than a social situation find it easier to leave.

I agree with that statement. I truly believe that is the main reason why my mother stays. At times I have made her think but she's afraid because this is all she's knows for 35 years. It's about integrity and discernment; that you remain true to yourself even when it may be scary and not fall for everything that comes your way.

proplog2

That scripture doesn't prove anything. Or at least you haven't explained how it justifies your judgement of JW's. This is a good example of the semantic fog ALL religionists walk around in. Of course the JW haters here don't need explanations for their hate. And that's a nice case of hypocrisy in itself. Follow Jesus & Hate. Join a war-mongering religion and kill your fellow man - pre-emptively before they can kill you.

ninja

mines is zedekiah 7:8....where it said....."ninja...are you off your head?...you're in a brainwashed cult"............I wished I'd seen that verse sooner........update.....there may not actually be a book called zedekiah and ninja is trevving his ass off.....he he snowb

Confession

Building on what JCanon writes... That's what occurred to me on September 15th, 2004: That the JWs don't just teach you that they have the true religion. They (somehow) weasel in the teaching that there can only be one true religion--and that Jehovah has always worked through an organization. But Tom Cabeen's "Does God Really Work Through an Organization" is what did it for me. He slowly, kindly reduces this notion to unbiblical nonsense.

But the one scripture that grabbed me was this one...

38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us.” 39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me; 40 for he that is not against us is for us.
-Mark 9:38-40, NWT

dogisgod

Hey JCannon. I hear you about the singing. When I was little we had that old green songbook and it had some really great singing songs, written as though it were for four parts. A brother would ask which song we should sing and we'd hold hands up to pick the one we liked best. The new songbook just left me cold. Then they sold some orchestrations on tape and I thought they were worse than a grade school band. They've improved these but most of these songs are written in keys that are not in the normal range of singing or just plain unsingable. Playing prerecorded music just makes the meetings more emotionally cold.

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