Would Bigfoot Stomp Creationism?

by metatron 10 Replies latest jw friends

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  metatron

  I suppose that any fact can be denied ( there's a hilarious scene in Woody Allen's "Everything you Ever Wanted To Know About Sex"

  in which a husband is oblivious to his wife's observation of his adultery). However, I do wonder if they ever found a "Bigfoot" body, would it

  put an end to Creationism?

  I have always been more skeptical about Bigfoot than other oddities like ESP or UFOs - in part because the people seeing them are

  often in immediate possession of a) a dog, b) a pickup truck, c) a rifle and/or d) a chain saw.

  Nevertheless, I am fascinated to see that real live experts on zoology, veterinary medicine, palentology and other disciplines are taking

  such claims seriously and finding evidence they are puzzled by. The History channel is doing some interesting programs on this.

  I wonder : would Bigfoot stomp Creationism?

  metatron
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  funkyderek

  Not at all. The thousands of lines of evidence for an old earth and for gradual evolution of species have failed to stop people believing in the fairy tale of creationism. One more set of hominid bones would hardly make a difference.
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  Amber Rose

  Nevertheless, I am fascinated to see that real live experts on zoology, veterinary medicine, palentology and other disciplines are taking

  such claims seriously and finding evidence they are puzzled by. The History channel is doing some interesting programs on this.

  Links please! I want to believe in Bigfoot!
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  chappy

  How would you define creationism? Are you referring to the current ideology of Creation Science or just the belief in a supreme Creator without all of the seudo science thrown in? I fail to see how the existance or non-existance of bigfoot would have any bearing on Creationism.

  chappy
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  metatron

  Easy definition info: Somebody finds a 7 foot tall ape that walks upright with genes that are almost entirely human - but not quite.

  Instant missing link. Gap between apes and humans filled. Game over?

  metatron
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  MikeA

  megaton, why people keep repeating the mantra that there are no transitional fossils and that there are "links" that are missing is beyond me. They are all over the place. Read the REAL literature on the subject. There is no question, anymore, of our lineage. The recent completion of the Genome project just put the icing on the cake.
  
  Bigfoot wouldn't necessarily be a missing link, either. Anymore than an Orangutan or Chimp. Given that nobody has any solid evidence of the existence of bigfoot, beyond the typical fuzzy photos made by people who have nothing better to do than fool around in the forest, I wouldn't put too much energy behind this at all. Not that things aren't worth investigating, if for no other reason than to try to lay incorrect ideas to rest.
  
  I take exception with something you said, as well: "....Nevertheless, I am fascinated to see that real live experts on zoology, veterinary medicine, palentology and other disciplines are taking such claims seriously and finding evidence they are puzzled by....."
  
  OK, who? Precisely "who" is finding evidence they are confused by? Where are the peer-reviewed documents describing said "confusion" in detail? What are these people's credentials? Are they just another form of .... ahem.... Doctor Behe? The reason I ask is that I receive many, many journals. Many of them are not in my specific specialty, astrophysics, but I subscribe to these peer-reviewed documents because I am interested in various subjects. In all of my reading, not a single reference to any bigfoot "evidence" that "puzzled" ANYONE was presented.
  
  Folks, believe me when I say that I am NOT being pedantic. Nor am I trying to insult anyone. I know first hand what the JW's have done to you with regard to a higher education, etc. If you have the time and some free cash, I would HIGHLY recommend taking college level courses in ANY science so you can learn the process which you may have never learned and, more importantly, to learn that skeptic and cynic are NOT equivalent terms.
  
  Skeptical is a good thing! Ask the who, what, where, when, how, etc and you will quickly find that "they" (the eternal "they" that everyone seems to know) rapidly evaporate. Seriously...... ask those questions and accept nothing that isn't impeccable in response. Belief is easy, as we all learned long ago, actual research takes a bit longer and requires more effort.
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  BurnTheShips

  I think FunkyDerek identifies why it would not be "game over".

  Chappy highlights that there are different divisions in the Creationist camp (young earth vs old earth, theistic evolutionists, intelligent design etc), some affected by the discovery more than others.

  It wouldn't make a difference to me, I'm Neanderthal.

  Burn
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  B_Deserter

  The thing with Creationists is that their minds are already made up. They're going to believe in their creator (or rather, the literal Genesis account) no matter how much evidence is piled against it. I sincerely believe you could take these people on a time machine and they still wouldn't believe anything else. That's how their religion works, the more you continue to believe something despite the evidence, the more virtuous you are.
  
  Like the other poster brought out, there is more than enough evidence for evolution already.
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  jaguarbass

  One body? If they found or have found 1 body they will manipulate and twist the data and information.

  There seems to me to be all kinds of data and information to support all kinds of beliefs.

  I call this planet the forum of many truths.

  There is all kinds of data supporting evolution.

  There is all kinds of data supporting creationism.

  There is all kinds of data supporting a young earth.

  There is all kind of data supporting an old earth.

  Google whatever you want. There are even people that have data supporting a flat earth.

  In our life I dont think there will be an end to creationism or evolution. There wont be an end to God.

  There wont be an end to the debil. There will always be a bible.

  How would you know if they found a body?

  How do you know they have or havent found aliens in area 51?

  How do you know or not know that there arent 10 or more different aliens coexhisting with us here on earth today?

  Google it.
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  MikeA

  Jaguar...... hmmmm......
  
  "I call this planet the forum of many truths."
  
  Ok, but make sure you qualify the term "truth." Does it include "fantasies" presented as truth or just things that are backed by ample evidence?
  
  "There is all kinds of data supporting evolution."
  
  Indeed, it is overwhelming evidence. Hard, testable, reviewable evidence.
  
  "There is all kinds of data supporting creationism."
  
  Where? There has yet to be hard, testable, reviewable, evidence of any kind to establish or even hint that this would be the case. As it is said, "absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absense," but it follows that "absence of evidence is NOT evidence of presence," either.
  
  "There is all kinds of data supporting a young earth."
  
  Where? See above.
  
  "There is all kind of data supporting an old earth.
  
  Indeed, it is overwhelming evidence, see evolution above.
  
  "Google whatever you want. There are even people that have data supporting a flat earth."
  
  You ARE kidding, right? They have NO data supporting a flat earth. None, zero, nada, zilch. They have a belief system that excludes science, but they have no evidence or data that could be called those names. The internet is one of the worst places to gather hard data, unless you apply healthy dose of skepticism. In other words, as I stated in another post, you need to ask, "What, where, when, who, etc." You will find that when you start asking the "who" question, for example, when presented with the ever popular "they" statements, that those dissipate right before your eyes. The question, who, cannot be answered because "they" don't actually exist or if they do, they have zero education in the subject.
  
  Fantasy does not equal "truth." Fantasy isn't even a hypothesis, much less a theory.