Help me... please...

by mindfield 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    I'm not sure if you're trying to rescue your floundering un-faith, or want to have another go at the elder. I'd recommend against another meeting. In his eyes, that'll probably put you over the line of 'questioning,' into outright apostasy.

    You can do a web search and find a gazillion sites, but I'd start with freeminds.org. Also, get Crisis of Conscience--Ray Franz was a GB member, and has more insight into the Society than your elder.

    One quick jab at his jabs:

    Ex.: Who is the only org. who preaches worldwide, and who most earthlings know about?

    The elder is lying to you. He's using a favored tactic of the GB: Expect you to accept claims on his authority, while dicouraging you from doing your own research.

    When I was Pioneering, I ran into half a dozen people who had never heard of Jehovah's Witnesses--and I lived in a big city in the US.
    Go to China, much of eastern Europe, or most Islamic countries and ask if they know who Jehovah's Witnesses are. At least a third of the world's population has no clue. Of the other two thirds, only a tiny fraction could even tell you what the JW's core beliefs are.

    But don't be too hard on yourself. When I was 17, an elder could have told me the moon was made of cheese, and I would've bought it.

    Hmmm

  • mindfield
    mindfield

    In fact, I am going to college right now... how was it liberating for you, tina? I've just started, but for now, it's basically just like school... well, i guess experience will show me!

    Hmmm, all i can say is... whoah. You're sure??!!? Man. Someone should put a poll on a site: Have you ever heard of the JW? Could make for some good stats! Anyone else have the same experience?

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Hi gotcha,

    It is still alright for you to pray to Jah. He knows you are refering to Him.

    You know, when I was a jw I was then afraid to pray, always feeling I wasn't good enough. Now after leaving, I feel free knowing he listens to me. Knowing that he realizes I am not perfect and that I am always going to do somethings wrong no matter how hard I try not to. If you feel uncomfortable calling him Jah, why not do as Jesus did and call him father? I do not recall him ever calling him Jehovah when he prayed, and he is the one that gave us the model prayer.

    Keep being sweet. Love ya

    Lilacs

    "I don't want someone in my life I can live with, I want someone in my life I can't live without."

  • Tina
    Tina

    Hi again fedup
    The sciences are liberating! Learning how the universe and life works frees one from so much myth and superstition.Gives an empirical frame of reference for undertanding the world around you.

    The social sciences,anthropology for example.Diverse cultures ,peoples and their histories. Gives you a better historical understanding of tribes,clans,their impact on the society and cultures around them.Very helpful as it helps you learn how to look at the bible in a more critical objective light.

    Art&Lit. The beauty created by humankind,it's impact on society.
    History,where we've been.It's contributions both good and bad that have profound influences on todays societys and cultures.

    Psychology,helps one understand behaviors motivations thought processes. ack so much ,fedup.......since you've already started,your advisor can help you choose classes in your area of interest.
    What an exciting time for you! Wish it was me.I'd love to do it again from the beginning.hugs,tina

    Jehovahs Witnesses,Proudly Serving Their Corporate Masters!

  • gotcha
    gotcha

    thanks lilacs

    fed up - try taking up philosophy classes or comparative religion classes

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    fed up

    It's probably a good idea to take your time and keep your head down. Don't challenge them. If you pose questions about negative aspects about the society, use a hypothetical approach, they will feel less like you are challenging them. If they try to force you to commit for or against the society or tough things like that, you could tell them that you are just a bit confused right now.

    If you got dfd, how would that affect your studies, your social life? You could just quietly research stuff for a while. Have confidence in yourself. Trust that whichever higher power you feel the most comfortable with (jehovah, jesus, god) is helping you along with guidance, so that you will end up going the way that is right or you. That higher power really wants what is bets for you. It never gets angry, as the wt claims. It never runs out of time, like the wt claims.

    All the best

  • mindfield
    mindfield

    It's a good thing i was never baptised... i was a publisher, but i stopped that months ago. Hypocrisy is not my thing!

    So i won't get df'd...

    I'll start reading the bible. That sounds strange, especially to someone like me who never enjoyed bible reading, but with the WT aside, perhaps i can.

    And by the way, i never would've dreamed of all the responses i got!!! If you guys are satanic apostates, you're doing a damn good job of hiding it!!! just joking... You guys+gals are truly great!

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    Fedup,

    I can empathize with you about the teetering back and forth over doubts, I went through a lot of that when I was on the way out. I read some things, think about it, feel I was getting back to believing the WTS and then I’d go to a meeting and realize what a sham it all is.

    The things I dwelt on were the WTS chronology, eschatology and the blood doctrine. I couldn’t get over the 607 BCE date for Jerusalem’s destruction. No one else suggests that date. (Look in a few reference books) The reason? They don’t have to make it fit with 2520 years and 1914 as being significant. Without an agenda there is no reason to fudge facts and make it fit. Besides, the date used to be 606 BCE until they discovered that the math was wrong, there was no year zero. They didn’t change the end date, they changed the start date!

    !975 was a fiasco, I remember that time period. I got over that but when the “generation” was suddenly elasticated to get it stretch past 1995 I realized that the WTS had not a clue.

    Blood; ask an elder to show in the Bible that red and white blood cells, platelets and plasma are banned but components of these are OK. The WTS has no clue. The blood component ban is neither medically nor Biblically valid.

    The elder asked who else is preaching worldwide. That is bovine excrement. The WTS preaching is not worldwide, is an utter waste of time and hardly anyone in even the most JW-populous nations has a clue what JWs believe or teach. Do the math. Take the number of hours wasted knocking doors and divide it by the number of converts baptized each year. See how many hours it takes to make a convert. Divide that time by the average amount of time you soent in FS. How long will it take you in years to make a convert?

    Add up the number of JWs in India and China (1/3 of the world’s population) and ask yourself if JWs will impact any of those people in their lifetime. The preaching work is a money making venture and a means of controlling JWs. It is not an effective means of making converts. Christianity is growing in South America, Africa and Asia at a far faster rate than JWs convert people. Who is doing that converting?

    Are JWs doing any good? Why not find out about the good that others do. If you live in or near a large city find out where the homeless and poor go to be fed. Go volunteer at that place and work with people willing to make an impact in the real lives of people without being judgmental about how or why the needy are in need.

    Don’t feel bad. Don’t feel that you didn’t convey your doubts properly or feel you were suckered. Take time to think and research. Read the stuff on this board about the lives of the people here. Research the places others have suggested. There is a long way to go but the journey is great.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Hi Fed Up,

    The more you look for answers, the more you will come to realize there are no answers that are based on fact when it comes to proving any religion to be true. Religion is based on faith, and faith is just some idea that is rooted in your emotions and imagination, sometimes put there by some ancient writtings, when examined closely are usually full of contradictions and must be explained by some founder of that religion to support their particular view of truth.

    No one knows the full truth of the universe and why we are here and what God truly is. There is no proof, only conjecture.

    Enjoy your life while you are young, using good judgement learned from observing life, treating others kindly as you would want to be treated, as this will bring you a measure of happiness. Life can deal you some cruel blows, but it can also bring much joy.

    Ken P.

  • mindfield
    mindfield

    You've put a smile in my day!!! Beautiful posts! Thank you thankyouthankyou!!!

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