JW's - Do You Willingly Obey The Slave?

by TR 23 Replies latest jw friends

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  JT

  Prisca says:

  "And I hope you aren't implying that all JWs would do such a thing"

  Perhaps not you, but Out of (6-15+ million perhaps) folks who are JW either Active or inactive I'm sure with the right WT articles and "Scriptual" support you could indeed find at least 19 folks who would

  case in point is blood, transplant, alternative service- once you plant it into someones mind that thier actions are approved by god

  there is nothing left but to do THE WILL OF GOD as instructed thru his mouthpc

  the JW mindset is on that is ripe for being told to kill in the name of God and they would do it

  I have seen brothers giving talks about apostates and they were just short of FOAMING AT THE MOUTH in describing the sheer HATRED that one should develope even if it is YO MAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  just my 2
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  troubled

  JT:

  You said,

  "Perhaps not you, but Out of (6-15+ million perhaps) folks who are JW either Active or inactive I'm sure with the right WT articles and "Scriptual" support you could indeed find at least 19 folks who would"

  By the same token, such is also the case if you took 6-15+ million random folks, now isn't it? So it's a mute point.

  What a waste of a thread.
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  TR

  Troubled,

  No, it's not a MOOT point.

  We have in place a religion/cult called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. To be a member in good standing, one HAS to obey or leave. I submit that there are "foaming at the mouth JW's" as was mentioned in a post above, that are willing to kill for their "mother." No, Jah's going to do the killing as they know it right now, BUT! There MAY come a time when the GB sees fit to encourage JW's in their ever so famous and subtle way, to commit such atrocities.

  TR

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
  —Edmund Burke
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  troubled

  TR,

  I agree, there could well be a few unstable JWs who would be obedient to such an extreme. But my point is that, in the GENERAL POPULATION, there also exist a small percentage of unstable persons who would be equally influenced by an invididual, group, or religion to commit murder. And in OTHER RELIGIONS, there are those who would be (and are!) similarly influenced.

  For instance, isn't the war between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland a religious war? Are they not killing out of a sense of loyalty to their religious views and under the influence of their religious leaders who encourage such action?

  Isn't the current situation in Afghanistan involve committing murder due to blind loyalty to one's religion and those in positions of authority who advocate this "holy war?"

  That's why I said your argument is a moot point. You sounded like you were singling out JWs are especially prone to such behavior, when, in fact, it is true of humans in general. They are easily influenced by the atmosphere they are immersed in, be it religious, political, or social.

  p.s. Thanks for correcting my (mis)spelling.
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  troubled

  p.s.

  JWs are taught that subjection to humans is "relative." If any human told us to do something against God's law (which killing is), we are to "obey God as ruler rather than men." This would apply even to the GB.

  Therefore, even if the GB told JWs to go out and kill opposers (so unlikely!!!), any rational WT who understands the matter of total subjection to God vs. relative subjection to humans would object.

  But like I said before, a small percentage of unbalanced ones may follow suit (the same way a small percentage of unbalanced persons in the world would do as well). Obviously, though, that sort of blind obedience would betray a total lack of understanding as to what Christian loyalty really means.
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  anon

  Troubled will you e-mail me? Guaranteed confidential. No hidden agenda, just concerned.
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  Seeker

  JWs are taught that subjection to humans is "relative." If any human told us to do something against God's law (which killing is), we are to "obey God as ruler rather than men." This would apply even to the GB.

  Therefore, even if the GB told JWs to go out and kill opposers (so unlikely!!!), any rational WT who understands the matter of total subjection to God vs. relative subjection to humans would object.

  I respectfully disagree. God's law has said to kill in the past. All it would take is a few misapplied scriptures in the WT, and the deed would be done. Many JWs with good hearts, as you say, would recoil in horror at the idea, but there are many JWs who are loyal to the extreme who would do it without question.

  For example, there is no greater law than Love, right? Yet what are JWs told to do when a relative is DFed? Right, to ignore the law of love and cut that person off as if they were dead (since this is the modern-day equivalent of stoning, we are told, where the person really would be dead, and a DFed person is in a sense dead in Jehovah's eyes unless they return). You would think most reasoning JWs would point out that Jesus spoke with and showed kindness to 'men of the nations,' and that the primary law is that of love. But no, JWs loyally do what the Governing Body say to do, even if the results go against the very core of natural relationships.

  It's not as big a leap to actually taking up weapons against "Jehovah's enemies" as you may think. I applaud your attitude in particular, but I've seen too many JWs over the years that expressed such hatred for apostates I have little doubt they would be first in line to grab a weapon should the Society ever tell them to do so (with scriptural backing, of course...)
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  troubled

  Anon,

  Feel free to express your concerns here. I will read them and respond.
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  TR

  Hi Troubled,

  I understand what you're saying, but with an Organization such as the WTS calling the shots, it's truly scary.

  Some Muslim sects are calling for the killing of innocent people. Some of them I'm sure may not have liked the idea of killing people before their wacky leaders told them to, then maybe out of a feeling of fear or obligation, they do it. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch for seemingly normal, peaceful people such as JW's to heed the call of their masters.

  TR

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
  —Edmund Burke
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  Pureheart

  Jehovahs Witnesses first response before becoming such is based on, "living in a world of peace and security, amoung a true brotherhood". They agree to become worshippers of Jehovah based on that premise. They fully beleive that they are in a spiritual paradise. They are repelled by ones in the organization that does not reflect those loving qualities. Even though they are gradually trained to obey men, they are still repelled by wickedness.
  You are absolutely wrong in your veiw that they would kill if they were told to.

  Pureheart