by purplesofa 16 Replies latest jw friends
Kerry Louderback-Wood is going to do an interview Monday at another radio station KVI out of Seattle,
I will try to post the time, so we can all listen.
purps
This is great, Purps ! I never heard her talk before, so this should be interesting.
I hope someone puts up a link like you and others did for the radio program on the 14 year old j.w. that died after refusing blood.
Thanks for the heads up.
Hubert
Hey Leslie...Just listened to the link. I think you did a great job getting the point across that he would have been shunned by all his friends and family if you would have accepted the transfusion. I could tell you were nervous, but I would have been too! Thanks for representing us!! That last caller Dana was an idiot! I don't think he knows what he believes.
something that is really bugging me about this court thing
is
WHY
was the hearing not sooner? Obviously if he was diagnosed with leukemia a few weeks earlier the blood transfusion issue should have come up right away.
Where did the hearing take place at?
The kid died a few hours after the hearing. Or was it a few hours after the judges decision? Have I got that correct?
Did the judge go to the hospitol?
babygirl*Thanks for representing us!!*
Your kindly welcome, when he asked me how I heard about the show, I didnt know if I should say really where I heard it from or not!
purps
Purps,
I think the blood issue did not come up right away when he was diagnosed because at the time of diagnosis, it was not an issue. What I mean by that is that when you are on Chemo Treatments, it can take several treatments before it has an effect on the Red and/or White blood cells. Before each Chemo treatment, lab work is done to see what your blood counts are. In his case, that is the reason they had stopped his chemo treatments because it was having too much of an effect on the red blood cells and that was when they decided he needed the transfusion, and then when he & his aunt denied it, him being a minor, the doctors had to report it, hence the hearing. I think they said he died hours after the judged ruled.
Thanks babygirl
I did not know how that process went.
purps
This is fairly big news around here. I live about 25 miles south of Mt. Vernon. This situation is a very tough one considering the different viewpoints whether it be religious, legal, or basic logic. Obviously being an XJW I have my personal feelings about the teachings of JW's and the brainwashing that goes on within the organization, especially when it comes to adolescents and children. Purplesofa, I don't think Dory could relate to the point you were trying to make in regards to the twisted teachings and logic the witnesses preach to their followers and the consequences the followers will face if they don't abide by the rules, and the pressure that's put on them to abide by the rules. What's sad is that next months the new Watchtower could state that the governing body has decided blood transfusions are not considered to be consuming blood any longer and it's ok now!
One question is whether or not this 14 year old had the maturity to make a life or death decision regarding his own life. I can remember being eleven or twelve years old and being able to go door to door by myself and speak to adults and quote scriptures with conviction. Looking back now I know I didn't have a clue about what I was talking about nor did I realize how mislead I was. For the judge to have a short conversation and come to the determination that he was a mature minor, is rediculous. This kid had a troubled family whos parents are drug addicts. He moves in with his aunt who takes him to meetings where he begins to feel loved and accepted. Of course this 14 year old is going to accept the Witnesses teachings. He's finally found a family.
Another question is whether or not the state should be so involved in our lives to the point where the state is dictating our religious and personal beliefs and forcing us to do things to our own person that we do not wish to do. I'm not a big fan of having the government involved in my personal life. But, part of the beauty of our civil society is that the state is there to protect us and its' primary responsibility is to protect it's citizens. In this case, where do you draw the line when it comes to protecting a citizen, and personal privacy? I don't think the judge had enough information to make the judgment he did and should have aired on the side of caution and given this kid a chance to live.
If you look at the big picture it's amazing how religion and religious beliefs can cloud even the smartest of people. Because of religion a 14 year old boy can refuse medical help which results in death. Jewish sects in the US are allowed to pass VD from a mans mouth to a childs genitals and in some cases cause death to some of these children without any threat of criminal charges being sought. Thousands of children are moletsted every year by their religious leaders and the perpetraters have little to no threat of consequences by our state government and authorities. Thousounds of young girls around the world have their genitals mutilated as part of religous acts. So many of our government leaders, who are in most cases very smart people, will allow their own logic to be distorted because of religious beliefs and the freedom everyone is suppossed to have in expressing them. It's sad religion has such a grip on the world.
Doctor Z,
I have rolled this over in my head since calling in. I was not prepared and I am horrible in that kind of spontanious situation. I never really answered Mr Monson's question. Did I agree with the jugde? NO, I don't agree to refuse a person any kind of treatment if it means saving their lives. If the boy had told the judge with convinction that he wanted to save his life by standing on his head, then sobeit. This kid had NO OPTION whatsoever to LIVE.
I did tell Mr. Monson that I did not think the judge knew enough about the religion to make a sound decision.
I hope the interview on Monday at Radio KIV with Kerry Louderback-Wood, from someone that is more of an expert in law, will help people to understand.
Hopefully, the general public knowing this kid was backed up against the wall in making his decision, die or live and get shunned will alert authorities into researching more into the religion.
I do not want the government in my personal business. As much as the witnesses fight for their freedoms, the very thought of them being the chosen government makes me shudder. As their loyal followers have no freedom, only controlled.
Mr. Monson, a practicing Catholic does have the right to seperate himself from church teachings and have his own personal beliefs and not be thrown out of his religion. I don't know the reasoning on this, maybe over time the religion and its followers will come to a meeting of the minds.
purps
